Aliens as FTL Humans: Scenario from Sci-Fi Novel

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a speculative scenario in which aliens are depicted as future humans who have achieved faster-than-light (FTL) travel and have traveled back in time to influence human history. The conversation explores the implications of this idea, particularly in relation to temporal paradoxes and causality violations, as well as its representation in science fiction literature.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the concept of aliens as future humans is a common trope in science fiction.
  • There is a suggestion that FTL travel leads to causality violations, which many authors overlook or use for narrative purposes, such as the grandfather paradox.
  • A participant raises a question about the origins of the idea of pyramids if future humans are responsible for teaching past civilizations, highlighting a potential temporal paradox.
  • Another participant references the concept of causal loops in relation to timelines that interact with themselves.
  • Some comments introduce a humorous take on conspiracy theories, suggesting that future humanoid speculators might be influencing current events for financial gain, invoking the butterfly effect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of speculative ideas and humorous takes on the scenario, but there is no consensus on the implications of these ideas or their validity. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on complex themes such as causality, temporal paradoxes, and speculative fiction tropes, but does not resolve the underlying assumptions or implications of these concepts.

EnumaElish
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What do you think of the following scenario*? Aliens are future humans who discovered faster than light travel. They propagated throughout the universe. In so doing they traveled back in time, to our time, or even earlier times.

*I read this in a popular space opera novel. It may have been Charles Stross or Alastair Reynolds. But I am not certain.
 
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Thanks for the news article. Here's another thought - also thunk by someone else first. If aliens are future humans who flew back in time to teach us about pyramids so we can advance and eventually become them, travel back, and teach our ancestors ... and round and round ... *where* did the idea for pyramids come from in the *first* place?
 
Any and all discussions about timelines that interact with themselves makes me think of this.
 
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All grammar is relative?
 
EnumaElish said:
All grammar is relative?
Relativistic.
 
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Perhaps this explains why a certain high-up member of the conspiracy establishment has a thing about reptilian shape-shifters (who secretly rule the world). Perhaps they're just humanoid speculators from the future, hoping to make a killing on the stock market?
 
Dr Wu said:
Perhaps this explains why a certain high-up member of the conspiracy establishment has a thing about reptilian shape-shifters (who secretly rule the world). Perhaps they're just humanoid speculators from the future, hoping to make a killing on the stock market?
Changes in the money flow would have a butterfly effect and eliminate the supposed beneficiaries of such changes.
 

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