Another Andromeda-Milky Way "collision" question

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The discussion revolves around the potential effects of the Andromeda-Milky Way collision on our solar system, particularly focusing on the probability of adverse impacts during the merging process. Participants explore the implications of the solar system's location within the galaxy, the density of objects in different regions, and the vast distances involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the likelihood of the solar system being adversely affected by the collision, suggesting that the vastness of space might make such chances very small.
  • Another participant argues that the solar system's location in a denser section of the galaxy could increase the probability of collisions with objects from Andromeda, although they acknowledge that the objects in Andromeda would not distinguish based on position.
  • A different participant speculates that gravitational effects could be more pronounced in denser regions, leading to a higher likelihood of being "tossed around" during the merger.
  • Some participants reference animations depicting the collision, noting that they show glancing blows and merging of the densest parts of the galaxies, which may include the solar system's position.
  • Concerns are raised about the relevance of the concept of being "within the arm" of the galaxy, with one participant stating that arms are not stable structures and could lead to misinterpretations of density at the time of the merger.
  • Distances between stars are noted to be significant, with one participant mentioning that the nearest neighbor in the Perseus arm is 4 light-years away, suggesting that vast distances might mitigate concerns about collisions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the solar system's location and the nature of galactic arms, indicating that there is no consensus on the likelihood of adverse effects from the collision.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of calculating probabilities related to the collision, with some noting that assumptions about density and gravitational effects may not hold true given the dynamic nature of spiral galaxies.

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For this exercise let's forget about our suns eventual demise and assume our solar system is intact during the collision/merging.

What are the chances of our solar system being adversely affected by the collision?

Are the cosmos within the galaxies so vast the chances are infinitesimal, or at least very very very small?

Given that our solar system appears to be in a somewhat dense section of one of the arms, one would guess an actual collision of our solar system with some Andromeda objects would be a lot higher than any solar systems residing in the outer reaches of the arms/galaxy.

But how high is high?, and do we today even have an idea how to calculate the probability with any degree of accuracy?
 
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Given that our solar system appears to be in a somewhat dense section of one of the arms, one would guess an actual collision of our solar system with some Andromeda objects would be a lot higher than any solar systems residing in the outer reaches of the arms/galaxy.
Why? The objects in Andromeda wound't distinguish objects in our galaxy based on position in our galaxy.
 
Good question, I was just assuming that with our SS residing in a more object dense area of the galaxy, new objects merging in the same vicinity would be more prone to gravitational effects within the arm, therefore more likely to get "tossed around" a bit more than object in the outer reaches of the galaxies.

Any animations I have watched on this show a couple of glancing blows as the galaxies come together and circle each other, followed by a merging of the two densest parts of the galaxies, which seems to include our position within the large Perseus arm. (or is it Sagittarius arm.. )

Then again, with our nearest neighbor in the Perseus arm being 4 LY away, perhaps the distances are just so vast this wouldn't be an issue.

Just curious.
 
Glenstr said:
Good question, I was just assuming that with our SS residing in a more object dense area of the galaxy, new objects merging in the same vicinity would be more prone to gravitational effects within the arm, therefore more likely to get "tossed around" a bit more than object in the outer reaches of the galaxies.

Any animations I have watched on this show a couple of glancing blows as the galaxies come together and circle each other, followed by a merging of the two densest parts of the galaxies, which seems to include our position within the large Perseus arm.

Then again, with our nearest neighbor in the Perseus arm being 4 LY away, perhaps the distances are just so vast this wouldn't be an issue.
Just FYI, "within the arm" is a useless concept given the time frame involved. Arms are not stable objects in spiral galaxies but rather passing accumulations of different stars in "waves" much like what you see in highway traffic patterns. The SS could well be in a much less dense region at the time of the merger.
 

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