Answer Nested Quantifiers Q5: Exist X, All Y

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving nested quantifiers, specifically focusing on the expression "Exist X, All Y" and its implications in logical notation. The original poster is attempting to understand how to manipulate and express these quantifiers correctly.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about the notation used in the problem and seeks guidance on how to properly format mathematical expressions. Some participants suggest carrying the negation forward within the brackets and question the implications of negating expressions inside brackets.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing references for LaTeX notation and discussing the manipulation of logical expressions. There is no explicit consensus yet, but the conversation is exploring different aspects of the problem and notation.

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The original poster mentions difficulty with notation and expresses a desire for clarification on how to use it effectively in the forum. This indicates a potential barrier to fully engaging with the mathematical content of the problem.

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Homework Statement



Question 5.

http://cg.scs.carleton.ca/~michiel/1805/assignment1.pdf

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I arrived here:

Exist X, All Y (P(x,y) and NEGATION (Exist z: NEGATION Q(x,y,z))

I have no idea how you guys do the notation. If anybody would like to show me how to use notation here at physics forums, it'd be great. Tried googling it but failed.
 
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very good reference for latex notation is at

tobi.oetiker.ch/lshort/lshort.pdf

for the list of mathematical symbols go to page 72 in pdf. also on this forum , there is latex help thread which can help you.

in the problem, you are doing good, you have carried [itex]\neg[/itex] till that point, why
don't you carry it forward , inside the bracket
 
IssacNewton said:
very good reference for latex notation is at

tobi.oetiker.ch/lshort/lshort.pdf

for the list of mathematical symbols go to page 72 in pdf. also on this forum , there is latex help thread which can help you.

in the problem, you are doing good, you have carried [itex]\neg[/itex] till that point, why
don't you carry it forward , inside the bracket

I'm not sure what happens when you negate something inside a bracket. It confused me.
 
[tex]\neg(\exists z(\neg Q(x,y,z)))[/tex]

[tex]\forall z \;\neg (\neg Q(x,y,z))[/tex]

[tex]\forall z \;Q(x,y,z)[/tex]
 

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