Are there any blacksmiths here who share my passion for the craft?

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The discussion revolves around the craft of blacksmithing, with participants sharing their interests, experiences, and resources related to the hobby. The scope includes personal anecdotes, technical insights, and references to related activities such as Historical European Martial Arts (HEMA).

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  • Some participants express a desire to start blacksmithing as a hobby, sharing their enthusiasm for the craft.
  • One participant mentions watching a YouTube video about building a mini foundry, questioning its viability due to concerns about materials like plaster of Paris under high temperatures.
  • Another participant indicates a preference for heating and shaping metal rather than melting it, with an interest in creating items for HEMA.
  • Technical insights are shared regarding the basics of smithing, including safety precautions, tool making, and techniques like annealing and tempering.
  • A participant describes their experience building a propane-fired smelting furnace, providing a brief overview of its construction and capabilities.
  • There is a discussion about the significance of HEMA, with some participants sharing resources and clarifying its academic aspects.
  • One participant reflects on the general misconceptions about European martial arts and their historical context, linking it to broader scientific developments.

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Participants generally share a common interest in blacksmithing and related activities, but there are varying opinions on specific techniques, materials, and the relevance of HEMA. The discussion remains open-ended with no consensus on certain technical aspects.

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I am looking at getting into it as a hobby and have been for some time. Anyone else here play at it.
 
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I'm not a blacksmith myself, but I just recently watched an interesting YouTube video about making a backyard, mini foundry.

 
houlahound said:
I am looking at getting into it as a hobby and have been for some time. Anyone else here play at it.
I remember a recent https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/middle-aged-student-of-all-sciences-and-trades.883875/.
 
collinsmark said:
I'm not a blacksmith myself, but I just recently watched an interesting YouTube video about making a backyard, mini foundry.

Somehow I find it unlikely it will work - perhaps for a moment, but I doubt it is going to survive for long. Plaster of paris is a calcium sulfate hydrate, which is roasted to get rid of water. If memory serves me well it becomes powdery in the process. I don't see how it is going to survive high temperatures present in the furnace.

Plus, it requires long drying before it can be used. Otherwise plaster will explosively shatter sending pieces in all directions when the water present in the solid (not the hydration water, excess moisture) starts to boil. Been there, done that, trying to pour molten lead into a plaster form to make a copy of some soldier figurine. Didn't work. I wanted to try again, just to wait for few weeks till the form dries, but my Mom asked me not to. No idea why, after all I got just a few blisters.
 
Thanks all.

Probably not into melting metal unless I wanted to experiment with inventing exotic alloys. More interested in heating metal and beating the crap out of it.

I like HEMA so prolly make HEMA stuff.
 
HEMA == Society or creative anachronism in the US I think.

Random example -- AnnealingAnyway - there are loads of examples on the basics of smithing:
Building a basic shop with fire pit, tools, DIY anvil, bench, and quench. You should make some of your own tools BTW. i.e., tongs
Safety - like eye protection! I once broke off a metal chip and it is still lodged in my forehead. Be warned.
Fuel types and fire control
Annealing, Hardening, tempering, punching, bending, forming
Learn to select and purchase appropriate metal stock

I made hinges and latches for gates -- for about 20 years . I started to compliment to the wooden gates I made. It was fun once I got the basics. You have youtube which should get you going faster than I was able to do. I got help from another experienced smith. Find one locally if you can.

Start with a light hammer, less than 1kg. Otherwise you won't be able to move your arm the next day. When you can "hold iron" with a smaller hammer work up.

"Hold iron" is a really old term, means strike a hot work piece on the anvil with no rebound. One distinct sound, not a blap-blip. You'll see what I mean when you are learning.
 
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My friend Harry and i built a little propane fired smelting furnace
we cut an empty Freon tank in half and filled it with refractory cement leaving a 4 inch vertical hole down center for the crucible
and a 1 inch horizontal tangential hole at the bottom for firing.
It will melt a pound of brass shavings in just minutes.
Try a search on amateur forge

http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/how-to-plans/how-to/a4087/how-to-make-a-forge/
 
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Great info thank you all much.

No HEMA as in Historical European Martial Arts.

The serious and credible academic study of how ancient white people fight.

Here is a decent hema channel;

 
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houlahound said:
HEMA as in Historical European Martial Arts.
How cool. I had no idea about this. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_European_martial_arts

Since 1991, there have emerged flourishing Historical European Martial Arts communities in Europe, North America, Australia and the wider Anglosphere. These groups are engaged in attempting to reconstruct Historical European Martial Arts using various training methods. Although the focus generally is on the martial arts of Medieval and Renaissance masters, nineteenth and early twentieth century martial arts teachers are also studied and their systems are reconstructed, including Edward William Barton-Wright, the founder of Bartitsu;[7] combat savate and stick fighting master Pierre Vigny; London-based boxer and fencer Rowland George Allanson-Winn; French journalist and self-defence enthusiast Jean Joseph-Renaud; and British quarterstaff expert Thomas McCarthy.
 
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I know right, most people of European descent think martial arts is ninjas and samurai swords or they just like to dress up as princesses.

Most have no idea of the pre-gunpowder arms race that evolved at hectic speed laying the ground work for what became physics and chemistry plus a lot of other fields.

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