Any Galaxy (Milky-way) based coordinate systems?

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The discussion centers on the Ecliptic coordinate system and its limitations regarding the Sun's position within the Milky Way galaxy. It highlights that the Sun is not a fixed point, as it orbits the solar system's barycenter and the Milky Way's central black hole. The conversation also questions the rationale behind using the Sun as the origin of galactic coordinates instead of the Milky Way's center, emphasizing the practical advantages of this choice for observational calculations. The Galactic coordinate system is referenced as a tool for translating positions within this framework.

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  • Understanding of Ecliptic and Galactic coordinate systems
  • Familiarity with the concept of barycenters in celestial mechanics
  • Knowledge of astronomical distances, particularly Parsecs
  • Basic principles of celestial navigation and observation
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As the Sun also moves, how to find its absolute coordinates in the galaxy?
There is an "Ecliptic coordinate system" that represents the apparent positions, orbits, and pole orientations of Solar System objects.

But, the Sun itself is NOT having a fixed immovable positon:
- It moves around the barrycenter of the solar system
- It also revolves around the central black hole of our Milky Way galaxy.

Is there any Milky-way-based coordinate system that gives the position of the Sun/ other solar system bodies at any particualr time?

Is there any site/ software showing pictorial representation of such a "Milky-way-based" movements of solar system bodies?

Thanks.
 
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Baluncore said:
That seems weird to me. Why is our Sun designated as the origin of that coordinate system? Shouldn't it be the center of the Milky Way Galaxy instead? Does the Equatorial Coordinate System also use the Sun as the origin?

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A Sun centred galaxy makes it easier to calculate what the sky will look like above our heads. To us, our galaxy appears to be Sun centred.
 
Also we know with pretty high precision where the sun is. The location of the center of the galaxy has very wide error bars (+- 0.8 kpc from Reid et al 2009, ApJ, 705, 1548) so it is pretty useless as the center for calculations.
 
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berkeman said:
Why is our Sun designated as the origin of that coordinate system?
The frame has been chosen for convenience. After all, none of us (including JWST) are more than a million miles from the origin.
 
sophiecentaur said:
After all, none of us (including JWST) are more than a million miles from the origin.
But we are 97 million miles away.
 
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Baluncore said:
But we are 97 million miles away.
I should have said "apart".
We orbit the Sun regularly so using the Earth would make it inconvenient to use Earth as an origin - a conversion would be needed for every observation. Using the Sun as origin must be the least worst choice, particularly for distances that can be measured in Parsecs (I think).
 

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