Are Decimal Points As Significant In Population Dynamics....

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the significance of decimal points in population dynamics, particularly in relation to claims about exceptional abilities in pattern recognition. Participants explore the implications of statistical claims and the validity of personal assessments in the context of broader population studies.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims to be in the top 0.003% of the population in terms of pattern recognition, raising questions about the validity of such a claim.
  • Another participant corrects the initial mathematical calculation, indicating that the number of people with similar abilities would be around 210,000, not 21 million.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the reliability of the claim regarding being in the top 0.003%, suggesting that such a statement would require extensive study and data.
  • There is a discussion about the adequacy of existing studies on human abilities, with one participant arguing that claims about exceptional abilities should be backed by substantial evidence.
  • One participant recounts their experience with psychological evaluations, asserting that the testing was conducted by experienced professionals, which they believe supports their claim.
  • Another participant humorously comments on the nature of mathematical understanding, suggesting that complexity is subjective.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the original claim regarding pattern recognition abilities. There is no consensus on the significance of the statistical claim or the adequacy of the evidence presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the available data regarding human abilities and the challenges in making definitive claims without comprehensive studies. The reliance on anecdotal evidence and personal experiences is noted.

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Population Dynamics
As they are in engineering and manufacturing?

I ask because during a very deep, post stroke marbles census in came to light that I had an extraordinarily high level of pattern recognition such that the department head said I was in the top .003 percent of the population.

I ran the numbers later and I came up with over 21 million people on Earth just like me. Doesn't seem all that special after that.

What am I not considering or looking at correctly?
 
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3e-5 * 7e9 = 210000, not 21000000

Simple math ... :smile:

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Hey, I was only off by a few orders of magnitude! That's the same as a near miss in some circles.

But thank you. :smile: o:)

And simple is relative to the observer I might add. (Einstein just never got around to quantifying it.)
 
For what it's worth, I doubt almost any properties of humans have actually been studied to a degree where you can actually say you are in the top 0.003%

That would require a study of about 1/.00003=33,000 people.

The phase 3 pfizer trial for their Covid vaccine was about that large, and that was one of the largest drug trials ever. Even then if you get nobody in that trial who exceeds you, you could be only in the top 0.006% and get that result by chance with a pretty high chance. At best you can probably feel confident saying you're in the top 0.01 or 0.015%.

Top 0.003% for human height and weight, sounds plausible. But top 0.003% in pattern recognition sounds like a completely untested claim to me.
 
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Take your complaint up with the Psychology dept. at Ft. Miley Medical Center.

I'm merely parroting what somebody more experienced in the matter than you or I told me.
 
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BigDon said:
I'm merely parroting what somebody more experienced in the matter than you or I told me.
Hard for us to confirm that the anonymous person you talked to at Ft. Miley is more knowledgeable in statistics matters than @Office_Shredder.
 
Well, let's hand walk through this.

(Oh, and I'm not mad or offended btw. As I'm not part of the "everybody gets a trophy" generation it takes more than nice people disagreeing with me to make me mad.)

The VA/UCSF systems has been doing psych evals since as least the early 40's. So they have experience with combat vets from WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc, etc.

So right there is easily your 30 odd thousand needed for your numbers to work. This was the head of the entire psych department who first had his star pupil test me, she got up and got the department head after I did so well

She re-administered the test with him watching, scored too high again and then HE administered the test.

I did better each time until I squeaked up into the madcrazy skills range.

That's all I got for you.
 
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BvU, my mean younger brother, who works for NASA/Ames and is the lead on no less than eight data centers says you were way too nice and a more appropriate reply would have been;

"What, *maff* hard for you?"

(For my friends in foreign climes that's a common mispronunciation by young children in America.)

He uses that a lot of Facebook where necessary
 
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