Are Early Galaxies Indicating a Future Dead Universe?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of early galaxies potentially being "dead" and what this might indicate about the future state of the universe. Participants explore concepts related to cosmic evolution, star formation, and the eventual fate of the universe, including the notion of heat death.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the observation of early dead galaxies implies we are heading towards a dead universe.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of heat death, explaining that it refers to a future time when all stars will exhaust their fuel, though this is projected to occur in an extremely distant future.
  • A participant expresses concern that the implications of early galaxies indicate that the process of star formation cessation is already underway.
  • Some participants argue that the cessation of star formation in certain galaxies does not pose an immediate threat to humanity, as our sun has a significant amount of time left before it becomes a red giant.
  • There is a suggestion that the phenomenon observed in early massive galaxies may not reflect the overall state of star formation across the universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of early dead galaxies, with some suggesting a direct link to a future dead universe while others argue that star formation continues elsewhere and that the situation is not as dire as it may seem.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various time scales for cosmic events, including the heat death of the universe and the lifecycle of our sun, but these estimates are not universally accepted or agreed upon.

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In a sense we are. The concept is called heat death. It refers to the time when all the stars run out of fuel and stop shining.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe

But it won't happen soon. Estimates are up to 10106 years (10 with 106 zeros after) for that to happen.

But in only 5 billion years or so, the sun will become a red giant and swallow the Earth. Hopefully, we'll move elsewhere before that happens, or our doom will come then. :smile:
 
I meant this article, shows it is happening sooner. Like it’s coming now
 
Timboo said:
I meant this article, shows it is happening sooner. Like it’s coming now
Yes, it is happening now, it will just take a while to finish. If my doom happens long after I'm already dead, it's not something that will upset me.
 
Timboo said:
I meant this article, shows it is happening sooner. Like it’s coming now
Nothing is coming to kill you. Star formation stopping in our galaxy wouldn't be a problem for us even if it did happen - our star is already formed and has about ten billion years left on the clock. And the most likely thing is that there's just something funny about gigantic galaxies in the early universe that makes them stop forming stars. Clearly star formation didn't stop everywhere - we're here.
 

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