Are Identical Non-Interacting Particles Distinguishable?

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The discussion centers on the conceptual understanding of whether identical non-interacting particles, specifically fermions like electrons, can be considered distinguishable or indistinguishable. It explores the implications of their indistinguishability in the context of quantum mechanics, particularly regarding the Pauli exclusion principle.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that non-interacting identical fermions can be considered distinguishable due to the lack of interactions.
  • Others argue that indistinguishability persists even in the absence of interactions, as the wavefunction of the electrons remains anti-symmetrized.
  • A later reply emphasizes that non-interacting particles still obey the Pauli exclusion principle, indicating they cannot occupy the same quantum state.
  • One participant notes that the concept of non-interacting particles is primarily a mathematical construct and may not reflect physical reality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the distinguishability of non-interacting identical fermions, with some asserting they are indistinguishable and others suggesting they could be treated as distinguishable. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these perspectives.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of the concept of indistinguishability in quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to the definitions and assumptions surrounding non-interacting particles.

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I just wanted to clarify something conceptual with non-interacting particles. So if you have three identical non-interacting fermions (say electrons), is it true that they are distinguishable (since they're non-interacting)? Or are they indistinguishable since they're still identical?
 
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No, the indistinguishability of the electrons is also present in the absence of interactions. Any wavefunction of the electrons is anti-symmetrized. So although the electrons do not interact, they still feel some form of repelment as they cannot occupy the same state.

It's ofcourse a mathematical statement, since non-interacting particles can hardly be considered physical.
 
xepma said:
No, the indistinguishability of the electrons is also present in the absence of interactions. Any wavefunction of the electrons is anti-symmetrized. So although the electrons do not interact, they still feel some form of repelment as they cannot occupy the same state.

It's ofcourse a mathematical statement, since non-interacting particles can hardly be considered physical.

Ok thanks. So basically: even though they're non-interacting, they're still indistinguishable and they obey the Pauli exclusion principle. Correct?
 
Yes, indeed.
 

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