Are there gas bulbs with high off resistance at low breakdown voltages?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the search for gas bulbs that exhibit high off resistance, specifically at low breakdown voltages under 150 volts. Participants explore various types of bulbs, particularly those filled with different gases, and their electrical characteristics, including resistance levels and breakdown behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • Paul Lowrance seeks recommendations for gas bulbs with breakdown voltages less than 150 volts and a minimum off resistance of 20 Gohm, noting that fluorescent starters tested so far have not met this requirement.
  • Bob S mentions the use of neon-filled miniature lamps (NE-2) which have leakage resistances over 10 Gohm up to approximately 65 volts, but do not meet the desired off resistance at higher breakdown voltages.
  • Paul later corrects his request to specify a minimum off resistance of 20 tera ohms, suggesting that different types of gas might yield higher resistance.
  • Bob S references a previous experience with NE-2 bulbs in a negative resistance oscillator circuit, indicating challenges in obtaining bulbs with sufficiently low leakage for specific applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the availability of gas bulbs that meet the specified criteria, and multiple competing views regarding the types of bulbs and their characteristics are presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of resistance and breakdown voltage, as well as the specific applications for which the bulbs are intended. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the availability of suitable gas types that could provide the desired electrical properties.

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Hi,

Any recommendations on gas bulbs with breakdown voltages less than 150 volts. Most importantly it must have high off resistance, at least 20 Gohm.

I've tested a few fluorescent starters. The best one so far was an old starter with 6 Gohm resistance up to its breakdown voltage of 107 volts. These starter bulbs usually have neon gas. Maybe there are bulbs with different gas that has higher off resistance at comparable breakdown voltages?

Thanks for any help. It's greatly appreciated!
Paul Lowrance
 
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Hi,

It was my mistake. It should be 20 *tera* ohms minimum, not 20 mega ohms. Maybe another type of gas might have that much resistance?

Regards,
Paul
 
I knew of someone who used ultra clean NE-2 bulbs with pigtail leads in a negative resistance oscillator circuit to measure picoamp currents by putting a very small capacitor (50 pF?) in parallel and counting the time between avalanche pulses, but the last time I saw him he was unable to get NE-2's that had sufficiently low leakage. Get some and maybe you can make them work. See IPDIC chamber circuit here:

http://www.orau.org/PTP/collection/surveymeters/ipdic.htm

Bob S.
 
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BTW, this topic is regarding my research. Please see the thread titled, "Excess energy detected from piezos & diodes"

A few minutes ago I just changed my account settings to give people access to my email address.

Regards,
Paul Lowrance
 
PaulL said:
BTW, this topic is regarding my research. Please see the thread titled, "Excess energy detected from piezos & diodes"

A few minutes ago I just changed my account settings to give people access to my email address.

Regards,
Paul Lowrance

That thread was closed and deleted because it did not meet the PF Rules. Do not try to re-open a closed topic. You need to post within the PF Rules, or you will not be allowed to post here.
 

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