-b.2.2.32 First order homogeneous ODE

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The discussion revolves around solving a first-order homogeneous ordinary differential equation (ODE) using substitution methods. Participants explore various approaches to manipulate the equation and derive potential solutions, focusing on the substitution \( u = \frac{y}{x} \) and its implications.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes starting with the equation in the form \( \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{x^2 + 3y^2}{2xy} \) and suggests using the substitution \( u = \frac{x}{y} \).
  • Another participant reformulates the ODE as \( \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{1 + 3\left(\frac{y}{x}\right)^2}{2\frac{y}{x}} \) and also suggests using \( u = \frac{y}{x} \) to express \( \frac{dy}{dx} \) in terms of \( u \).
  • There is a discussion about the derivative transformation leading to \( xu' + xu = (xu)' \), with some participants correcting earlier statements.
  • One participant derives the equation \( x\frac{du}{dx} = \frac{1 + u^2}{2u} \) and attempts to separate variables, expressing uncertainty about reaching a solution.
  • Another participant notes that integrating leads to \( \frac{2u}{u^2 + 1} \, du = \frac{1}{x} \, dx \) and questions the next steps.
  • There are multiple mentions of the integration process, with participants discussing the constant of integration and its placement within logarithmic expressions.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the treatment of the constant of integration and its implications for the solution.
  • Several participants derive the relationship \( \frac{y^2}{x^2} + 1 = Cx \) and express it in different forms, including \( y^2 + x^2 = Cx^3 \).
  • Another participant discusses the implications of taking the exponential of both sides of the logarithmic equation, leading to a general solution involving \( C_2 \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants engage in a collaborative exploration of the problem, with some agreeing on the steps taken while others express uncertainty or confusion about specific transformations and constants. No consensus is reached on the final form of the solution, and multiple interpretations of the integration process are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential issues with the placement of constants of integration and the assumptions made during the transformation steps. There is also a discussion about the implications of absolute values in the context of the solutions derived.

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\[ \dfrac{dy}{dx} =\dfrac{x^2+3y^2}{2xy} =\dfrac{x^2}{2xy}+\dfrac{3y^2}{2xy} =\dfrac{x}{2y}+\dfrac{3y}{2x}\]

ok not sure if this is the best first steip,,,, if so then do a $u=\dfrac{x}{y}$ ?
 
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I would write the ODE as:

$$\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1+3\left(\dfrac{y}{x}\right)^2}{2\dfrac{y}{x}}$$

And then use:

$$u=\frac{y}{x}\implies\frac{dy}{dx}=x\frac{du}{dx}+u$$
 
$\displaystyle u=\frac{y}{x}\implies\frac{dy}{dx}=x\frac{du}{dx}+u$
so is that
$$xu'+x'u=(xu)'$$
 
$x\dfrac{du}{dx}=\dfrac{1+3u^2}{2u}$
corrections!
 
MarkFL said:
I would write the ODE as:

$$\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1+3\left(\dfrac{y}{x}\right)^2}{2\dfrac{y}{x}}$$

And then use:

$$u=\frac{y}{x}\implies\frac{dy}{dx}=x\frac{du}{dx}+u$$

We would then have:

$$x\frac{du}{dx}+u=\frac{1+3u^2}{2u}$$

$$x\frac{du}{dx}=\frac{1+3u^2-2u^2}{2u}$$

$$x\frac{du}{dx}=\frac{1+u^2}{2u}$$
 
$x\dfrac{du}{dx}=\dfrac{1+u^2}{2u} $
$x\dfrac{1}{dx}=\dfrac{1+u^2}{2u}\dfrac{1}{du} $
tried to separate varibles but didn't see how it reach the answer of

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$\dfrac{2u}{1+u^2} \, du = \dfrac{dx}{x}$

continue ...
 
I would next write:

$$\frac{2u}{u^2+1}\,du=\frac{1}{x}\,dx$$

Integrating, we get what?
 
$\ln |u^2+1|=\ln|x|$

$u=\dfrac{x}{y}$
 
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You forgot the constant of integration:

$$\ln|u^2+1|=\ln|cx|$$

And:

$$u=\frac{y}{x}$$
 
  • #11
$\displaystyle \ln|u^2+1|=\ln|cx|$
why did you put the c inside the ln?

so anyway
$\displaystyle \ln\left|\dfrac{u^2+1}{cx}\right|=0$
 
  • #12
$\ln(u^2+1) = \ln|x| + C_1$

rewite $C_1=\ln|C_2|$ ...

$\ln\left(\dfrac{y^2}{x^2}+1\right)=\ln|C_2 x|$

note, $\ln{a}=\ln{b} \implies a=b$

$\dfrac{y^2}{x^2} + 1 = Cx$

$y^2+x^2=Cx^3$
 
  • #13
wow... that was a lot of help..
 
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skeeter said:
$\ln(u^2+1) = \ln|x| + C_1$

rewite $C_1=\ln|C_2|$ ...

$\ln\left(\dfrac{y^2}{x^2}+1\right)=\ln|C_2 x|$

note, $\ln{a}=\ln{b} \implies a=b$

$\dfrac{y^2}{x^2} + 1 = Cx$

$y^2+x^2=Cx^3$

Equivalently
$\ln(u^2+1) = \ln|x| + C_1$
Taking the exponetial of both sides
$e^{ln(u^2+ 1)}= u^2+ 1= e^{ln|x|+ C_1}= e^{ln|x|}e^{C_1}= e^{C_1}|x|$
$u^2+ 1= C_2|x|$ where $C_2= e^{C_1}$.

Now, technically e to any power is positive but we can get the general solution by allowing $C_2$ to be positive or negative and then we no longer need the absolute value: $u^2+ 1= C_2x$.
 

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