Boost Your Car's Performance: Torque, Power, and RPM Explained

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of using a 1.5hp motor to drive a 12v alternator, focusing on the relationship between torque, power, and RPM. Participants explore the implications of using a flywheel and different pulley sizes, considering how to optimize performance while minimizing load on the motor.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires whether a flywheel can increase torque when driving an alternator, expressing a desire to reduce the load on the motor.
  • Another participant asserts that while gearing can change torque output, it does not increase the total power output beyond the motor's input capacity.
  • Some participants discuss the role of a flywheel, suggesting it may not increase torque but could help stabilize load fluctuations on the motor.
  • There is a suggestion that a larger motor may be necessary if the current setup does not provide sufficient output.
  • One participant proposes that a clutch between the flywheel and motor could allow the flywheel to act similarly to a capacitor in an electrical circuit, while another counters that it would behave more like a dampening device.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the optimal size of pulleys and flywheel weight without more specific design details.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness of using a flywheel or the best approach to reduce load on the motor. Multiple competing views remain regarding the mechanics involved and the potential benefits of different configurations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their discussion due to a lack of specific details about the setup, such as sizes, loads, and design intent, which affects their ability to provide definitive recommendations.

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hi guys new to this forum as of today . I am currently buliding my self a little project but before i go out and blow money on parts i was wondering is there anyone out there that knows if this will work I've attached a diagram of what i want to do sounds simply enof but will i gain power, torqe on the output to spin a car 12v altanator useing this method ? open to all feed back :)

what I am looking for is the right amount of rpm with torqe and power that will be produced

the 1.5hp motor is a 240v motor with 7 amps ?
and of course the flywheel and 10" pullyes are mounted a shaft and ballbearing cuplors to a base
 

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Gearing will only lose power due to inefficiency. If you have 1.5 hp in, the best you can get out is 1.5 hp.

The gearing only changes torque output and rpm. Also all that matters is the input and output step. The thing in the middle has no bearning on output as it's an idler, (though in this case a big heavy flywheel).

So in this case your gear ratio input to output is 2:5, 1:2.5
So you'll get 2.5 times the torque output, but it'll at 0.4x the speed (2.5 times slower)
 
hey chris thank you for info :) .sorry if i sound like a dummy but i just need things a bit clearer for me ..so the flywheel(weighted flywheel ) would not add any increase of torqe ? because that's all I am really trying to do. make a motor spin something but gain inertia and spin a out put ( alterantor ) a bit easyer.other than just put a stright pulley from a motor to the alternator with the same 2" pulley on the motor and 5" pulley on the output (alternator) if not how can i make something that a 1.5hp motor will drive a alternator with a bit of help
 
Flywheel would not increase torque at constant output, it would only decrease it (overall) becuase you have to spend time spinning it up, and then keep it spinning.

I don't really understand what you mean by drive the alternator with a bit of help. You only have the motor inputting power.

If you don't have enough coming out at the end, you need to use a bigger motor.
 
ok start from scratch , i have a 1.5hp motor and i want to spin a 12v alternator with less load on the 1.5hp motor and not much rpm loss is there any way to do this or best ratio ? in over all I am trying to save the 1.5hp motor stress
 
It makes a bit more sense now there is a context.

Adding a flywheel will increase the load on the motor, as you want to do more with your 1.5hp, but it will reduce the fluctuation of load on the motor.

If this is constant load, the only way to reduce the load on the motor is make it bigger or reduce the output. If it's a fluctuating load, a flywheel will stop the shock of going from high load to low load, it will act as a buffer.
 
ok thank you if u had to rig up what size pulls weight of flywheel ,would you assume to use and how would you set it up
 
Without a description of what's going on, sizes, loads, design intent etc. It's impossible to say. With the description you've given, the best answer I can give is none or very small.

The layout you've got would work for what you are saying, I can't say if it would be better or worse than no flywheel, but it would work.
 
thanks chris all i can do is try i guess :)
 
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Is there a specific load you are trying to power or are you just trying to see what you get?
 
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It is quite interesting that, if there is a clutch between the flywheel and motor, the flywheel can actually act like a capacitor in an electrical circuit. Am i right?
 
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cktoh said:
It is quite interesting that, if there is a clutch between the flywheel and motor, the flywheel can actually act like a capacitor in an electrical circuit. Am i right?

Actually a clutch would act as a dampening device by converting mechanical energy into heat. This means that the clutch would act like a resistor. The flywheel would act like an inductor. A «mechanical» capacitor would be a spring.

More info:
http://multimechatronics.com/images/uploads/mech_n/Electrical_Mechanical_Analogy.pdf
http://mathinsite.bmth.ac.uk/pdf/msdtheory.pdf
http://www.freestudy.co.uk/control/t1.pdf
 

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