Bullet Cluster: Controversial & Puzzling Evidence for Alternative Models

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the Bullet Cluster and its implications for dark matter (DM) theories, particularly in light of recent papers that some participants perceive as challenging mainstream views. The scope includes theoretical implications, alternative models, and interpretations of observational data.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express that the Bullet Cluster remains controversial, referencing recent papers as evidence of dissent regarding mainstream dark matter theories.
  • Others question the interpretation of the linked papers, suggesting that they do not clearly advocate for alternative models to dark matter.
  • One participant highlights that observations of other clusters may indicate dark matter behaving unexpectedly, contributing to the controversy.
  • A participant agrees with another's skepticism about the papers, noting that one paper sets an upper limit on DM-DM interactions, which they argue is consistent with the Lambda-CDM model.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the implications of the recent papers and whether they support alternative models to dark matter. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the evidence presented.

Contextual Notes

Some statements reflect uncertainty about the motivations behind the dissent and the interpretations of the papers, indicating a reliance on specific definitions and assumptions that remain unresolved.

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The bullet cluster remains controversial, as evidenced today by http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.5633 and http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.5636. I'm puzzled by the motivation for this kind of dissent. I view this as a desperate attempt by alternative model advocates to preserve their own views.
 
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Chronos said:
The bullet cluster remains controversial, as evidenced today by http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.5633 and http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.5636. I'm puzzled by the motivation for this kind of dissent. I view this as a desperate attempt by alternative model advocates to preserve their own views.

By the abstracts it is no clear to me that the linked papers show any dissent or controversy wrt the mainstream view about DM and the Bullet cluster, what alternative model to DM would the authors be proposing?
 
Chronos said:
The bullet cluster remains controversial, as evidenced today by http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.5633 and http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.5636. I'm puzzled by the motivation for this kind of dissent. I view this as a desperate attempt by alternative model advocates to preserve their own views.
Controversy stems from observations of other clusters such as http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2012/10/image/a/, in which dark matter is apparently behaving in a way it should not.
 
Chronos said:
The bullet cluster remains controversial, as evidenced today by http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.5633 and http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.5636. I'm puzzled by the motivation for this kind of dissent. I view this as a desperate attempt by alternative model advocates to preserve their own views.

I agree with TrickyDicky. What do you see in these papers that is advocating alternate models? The first paper puts an upper limit on DM-DM interactions, but this is consistent with Lambda-CDM. What am I missing?
 

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