Calculating Executive Committee Possibilities for a Board of 12 Directors

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The discussion revolves around calculating the number of ways to form an executive committee from a board of 12 directors, with specific roles of president and treasurer. The scope includes combinatorial reasoning and interpretations of committee composition, focusing on both the selection of members and the assignment of titles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the total number of non-zero subsets of the board is given by $2^{12}-1$, assuming no titles are assigned.
  • Others argue that the assignment of titles complicates the calculation, suggesting that different configurations of the same members holding different titles should be counted separately.
  • A participant suggests a formula involving combinations to account for the roles of president and treasurer, leading to a total of 67584 ways, but later revises this to 67673 after considering the possibility of the same person holding both titles.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of interpreting the question correctly, noting that the number of committees could vary significantly based on whether the roles are specified or not.
  • Clarifications are sought regarding the reasoning behind the proposed formulas, particularly in how they account for different committee sizes and configurations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to interpret the problem, leading to multiple competing approaches and calculations. There is no consensus on a single correct method or answer.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the ambiguity in the problem statement regarding the roles of president and treasurer, and how to account for committees of varying sizes. The discussion reflects differing assumptions about whether the same individual can hold multiple titles and how to handle combinations of committee members.

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A company’s board of directors has 12 members. The board must select an executive committee of
any nonzero size, consisting of a president and treasurer (these titles may or may not be conferred to
the same person). How many possible ways are there to do this?

My attempt:

The answer is the number of non-zero subsets of the board of directors, which is $2^{12}-1$. Is this correct?
 
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I just realized that the committee {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6} where 1 is the president and treasurer is probably different from the committee {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6} where 2 is the president and treasurer. This complicates the problem.
 
Alexmahone said:
A company’s board of directors has 12 members. The board must select an executive committee of
any nonzero size, consisting of a president and treasurer (these titles may or may not be conferred to
the same person). How many possible ways are there to do this?

My attempt:

The answer is the number of non-zero subsets of the board of directors, which is $2^{12}-1$. Is this correct?

Yes, I agree if we do not consider the titles to be conferred:

$$N=\sum_{k=1}^{12}\left({12 \choose k}\right)=2^{12}-1$$

However, if we also add in the titles, I think we need:

$$N=\sum_{k=1}^{12}\left({k \choose 2}\cdot{12 \choose k}\right)=67584$$

edit: I just realized I did not account for the same person holding both titles...so perhaps it should be:

$$N=12+\sum_{k=2}^{12}\left({k \choose 2}\cdot{12 \choose k}+k\right)=67673$$
 
MarkFL said:
However, if we also add in the titles, I think we need:

$$N=\sum_{k=1}^{12}\left({k \choose 2}\cdot{12 \choose k}\right)=67584$$

Could you please explain this?
 
Alexmahone said:
A company’s board of directors has 12 members. The board must select an executive committee of
any nonzero size, consisting of a president and treasurer (these titles may or may not be conferred to
the same person). How many possible ways are there to do this?

My attempt:

The answer is the number of non-zero subsets of the board of directors, which is $2^{12}-1$. Is this correct?
The answer to problems of this sort often depend on how you interpret the question. In this case, are you just concerned with the choice of individuals in the committee, or does the description of the committee include specifying which individual/s have the positions of president and treasurer? If for example the committee consists of three directors, call them A, B and C, then anyone of those three could be the president, and anyone of them could be the treasurer. I would interpret that as giving nine different committees, although they all have the same set of members. But your answer counts that as just one committee.

If your interpretation of the question is correct then so is your answer. But my answer would be very different, as follows. If a single member acts as both president and treasurer then there are $$12$$ ways to choose that person, and $$2^{11}$$ possible ways to complete the committee from a subset of the remaining directors. If the president and treasurer are different, then there are $12$ ways to choose the president, $11$ ways to choose the treasurer, and $$2^{10}$$ possible ways to complete the committee. That gives a total of $$12\cdot2^{11} + 132\cdot2^{10} = 39\cdot2^{12}$$ for my answer to the question.

Edit. I somehow overlooked previous comments when posting that. I now see that the problem of how to interpret the question has already been raised.
 
Alexmahone said:
Could you please explain this?

I will explain my reasoning for my latest version, added after you quoted my post:

$$N=12+\sum_{k=2}^{12}\left({k \choose 2}\cdot{12 \choose k}+k\right)=67673$$

The first term ($12$) is the number of 1 person commitees, where naturally that single person (for which we have 12 choices) holds both titles.

Now the sum begins with all the two person committees...where we first consider the number of ways to choose 2 from 12, AND the number of ways to choose 2 from 2 and then we add 2 because there are two ways for each of those 2 people to hold both titles. And the sum continues in like manner for the committees making up 3-12 people.

Does this make sense?
 

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