Can Buddha's Ultimate Reality Be Understood Through Science?

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The discussion explores the intersection of Buddhism and science, particularly focusing on the concept of Buddha's understanding of ultimate reality as presented in the movie "Little Buddha." Participants examine the philosophical implications of this understanding, the nature of the creative force, and the challenges of interpreting ancient texts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Buddha's ability to "see beyond the universe" implies a profound understanding of ultimate reality, likening him to a scientist.
  • There is a discussion about the "creative force" that is said to pervade all living and non-living things, with some participants questioning the nature and implications of this force.
  • One participant notes that the original texts were written in Pali, raising concerns about the accuracy of translations and the potential for misinterpretations, particularly regarding the term "maya."
  • Another participant mentions that Buddha's primary objective was to end suffering, and questions whether delving into the nature of reality distracts from this goal.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the deeper levels of meditation and enlightenment, referencing various stages of Samadhi and mystical experiences described in Hindu scriptures.
  • There is a suggestion that exploring the "true nature" of things may lead to a mundane understanding of reality, which some participants find unappealing.
  • A participant introduces the idea of Jakob Boehme and a related poem, indicating a broader philosophical context but does not elaborate further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the interpretation of Buddha's teachings and the implications of the creative force. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the relationship between Buddhism and scientific understanding.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential inaccuracies in translations of ancient texts, varying interpretations of key concepts, and the subjective nature of mystical experiences.

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Hi All !

here is a quote from the movie Little Buddha(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107426/)

"Buddha could see beyond universe.Buddha has seen ultimate reality of all things."

Although the statement looks simple but it didnt make enough sense to me.It is also said that "we can see only what we know".I am not looking at the quote not exactly from spiritual frame but to me that statement makes Buddha sound the most successful scientist(?)

Please throw some light..
 
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heman said:
Hi All !

here is a quote from the movie Little Buddha(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107426/)

"Buddha could see beyond universe.Buddha has seen ultimate reality of all things."

Although the statement looks simple but it didnt make enough sense to me.It is also said that "we can see only what we know".I am not looking at the quote not exactly from spiritual frame but to me that statement makes Buddha sound the most successful scientist(?)

Please throw some light..

The statement most probably means that the Buddha had "seen" the true nature of all things. In Eastern philosophy it is the creative force (for lack of a better word and no it does not imply the existence of a creator) that is the essence of all things. This creative force pervades through all living and nonliving things and is said to be the "ultimate reality of all things".

The Buddha through meditation is said to have come in contact with this creative force and was thus able to known the mystery behind creation.
 
Thanks for your response..
you mean EVERY living and non living thing has this creative force as you call it...
this contact thing still doesn't make enough sense to me..
.As far as i have read his only objective was to find out a way to end suffering..But then on the day of enlightenment..he says that everything is connected..and somewhere i have read he says its not worth to enter into all these questions ..he stresses only on following his path with full devotion
 
To begin with, the original texts were written in Sanskrit (if I remember correctly) and the translation to English and other languages may not be entirely accurate. For example the word "maya" has been translated as "illusion" which is not exactly correct.

I have not much knowledge on this topic, but yes the "creative force" is said to pervade all living and non-living matter. As you may notice evolution applies to all creation and it is thought that the "creative force" directs evolution.

Yes his objective was to end suffering and he did say that it is not worth entering into these questions of creation because it would distract one from the aim of "liberation from the self" as he put it.

I can only assume that he took his meditation to a deeper level after "liberation from the self" to come in contact with this "creative force".
 
i agree with your point on language..Actually Original texts were written in Pali..i think situation would have been bit better if original texts were in sanskrit owing to the strength of sanskrit as a better and stronger language..and thus reduced syntactic disputations..But neverthless this language thing will always remain a problem i guess!

hmmm...taking meditation to deeper level after enlightenment...hmmm yeah...may be...but yeah i have read somewhere that there are various stages of Samadhi(other term for Nirvana/Enlightenment) ..It is said that teacher of Swami Vivekananda ,,Ramakrishna has experienced the whole gamut of mystical relationships described in the Hindu scriptures..its said to them world appear like motion picture.!
 
heman said:
its said to them world appear like motion picture.!

yes I wouldn't dispute that - sometimes I think it is better no to delve too deeply into the "true nature" of things, rather than live serenely in the illusion. The truth can make reality mundane.
 
Trying googling "Jakob Boehme" and see what you come up with. Also some time ago I came across a poem called "The cornfield" which also had a similar theme, unfortunately I am unable to get that poem again or remember the name of the poet.
 

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