Can Gravity Be Manipulated Like Electromagnetic Force?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of gravity and its potential manipulation, comparing it to electromagnetic forces. Participants explore theoretical implications of gravity as spacetime curvature and the possibility of adjusting gravitational strength, particularly in the context of graviton existence.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if gravity is a curvature of spacetime, altering it would depend on the physical size or density of the mass causing the curvature, similar to how larger masses like the sun exert stronger gravitational forces.
  • Another participant argues that unlike electromagnetic forces, which can be canceled or adjusted due to the nature of charges and currents, gravity is always additive because mass/energy is always positive, implying it cannot be adjusted in the same way.
  • Some participants note that the fundamental particles associated with these forces, such as photons for electromagnetism and potentially gravitons for gravity, would behave differently.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of mass becoming too large, leading to black holes, and how gravitational forces play a role in stellar evolution and collapse.
  • One participant introduces the concept of thermonuclear weapons and their relation to fusion processes, although another points out that this topic diverges from the main discussion on gravity and black holes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the manipulability of gravity compared to electromagnetic forces, with no consensus reached on whether gravity can be adjusted or if it operates under fundamentally different principles.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the differences in the sources and behaviors of gravitational and electromagnetic forces, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of gravitation and its potential quantum aspects.

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Hi , I have a question that arose in mind.
If gravity is a spacetime curvature just like GR says it is the I guess the only way to altering it is from the physical size/density of the object curving the space fabric, like sun being bigger having higher gravity and so on.
But if we find that gravity is like electromagnetic force , could we be able to adjust it just like we can make different kinds of strenghts of the electromagnetic force like in an electromagnet.
In the case of the existence of graviton I guess.

Please explain this to me , because i feel like getting something wrong here or maybe not...?
Thanks in advance for your 2cents of input :)

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The sources of electromagnetism are charges and currents. Charges can be either plus or minus, and currents can be reversed. Therefore charges can cancel each other out. And likewise for currents, you can put magnets in opposition and their fields will at least partially cancel.

The source of gravity is mass/energy, which is always positive. You can't cancel one mass with another mass, they always add. And the equivalence principle tells us that the gravitational field for a given mass is always the same. So it can't be "adjusted"!
 
Yes, the behaviour of gravitational and electromagnetic force is very different.
Both their quanta: the photon and the graviton(if exists) must behave differently
 
But if mass gets to big, like after a star burns out its fusion fuel, the gravity overcomes and all the mass shrinks to a point where it can be compresssed no more and that point or sphere is the black hole right? a place with concentrated mass.

but when a thermonuclear two or more stage weapon is detonated basically as i understand one of the factors that makes fusion possible is the enormous pressure upon the secondary stage made by the primary stage of a fission bomb?

proton/proton charge repulsion is a headache to fusion engineers I guess:)
 
But if mass gets to big, like after a star burns out its fusion fuel, the gravity overcomes and all the mass shrinks to a point where it can be compresssed no more and that point or sphere is the black hole right?
Too big and too cold, right (burning stars can be more massive than small black holes, as long as radiation provides enough pressure to counter gravity). The black hole is the whole object.

Thermonuclear weapons are not related to gravity or black holes. Fission usually provides the energy to ignite fusion, right. Without proton-proton repulsion, we wouldn't have any regular atoms.
 

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