Can higgs-like potential be derived from string phenomenology?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of deriving a Higgs-like potential from string phenomenology, specifically examining models that may suggest such a potential in the context of string theory. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects, including supersymmetry and gauge theories, as well as the nature of mass and forces in string theory.

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  • One participant questions the existence of known models suggesting a Higgs-like potential in string phenomenology, indicating a desire for clarification on the topic.
  • Another participant elaborates on the relationship between mass and the vibrations of strings, suggesting that mass is an inherent property of strings rather than a result of a specific particle like the Higgs boson.
  • A different participant introduces the idea that supersymmetrical phenomenology may play a role in generating a Higgs-like potential, referencing the renormalization group and the top quark mass scale.
  • One participant discusses the D-term potential in supersymmetric gauge theories, explaining how it can be realized in a brane configuration and the conditions under which a Higgs phase may emerge.

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Participants express differing views on the mechanisms by which a Higgs-like potential may arise in string theory, with some suggesting connections to supersymmetry and others focusing on the inherent properties of strings. No consensus is reached regarding the existence of specific models or the nature of the potential.

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Participants reference various theoretical frameworks, including supersymmetry and gauge theories, but the discussion remains open-ended with unresolved assumptions and conditions regarding the derivation of the Higgs-like potential.

yyoon@fas.harvard.edu
I just wonder if there are any known models that suggest higgs-like
potential (Sigma a phi_a^2-constant)^2 in string phenomenology.
 
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yyoon@fas.harvard.edu said:
I just wonder if there are any known models that suggest higgs-like
potential (Sigma a phi_a^2-constant)^2 in string phenomenology.
IIRC, mass in string theory is somehow obtained by the frequency and/or amplitude of the vibrations of the string. And potential is manifested as a force over distance. In string theory forces are exhibited by particles which are strings. So you are asking if there are strings that give rise to mass which are a property of strings. I don't think there is a special particle (the Higgs bosson) that gives every other strings its vibration. Such vibrations are just inherent to all strings. But there may be ways in which various string interact that do give them different vibrational modes that gives them mass (or not).
 
you are in too smart of a school to ask such a damn stupid question. Next. :smile:
 
yyoon@fas.harvard.edu wrote:

> I just wonder if there are any known models that suggest higgs-like
> potential (Sigma a phi_a^2-constant)^2 in string phenomenology.[/color]

I guess they rely on the subyacent supersymmetrical phenomenology. In
susy it is usual to generate a higgs like potential by using the
renormalisation group so that the mass square term becomes negative
when coming to the scale of the top quark. The trick, discovered by
Ibañez time ago, works precisaly because the top mass is far from the
other ones.

In extra dimensional, non string theories, the higgs field is sometimes
associated to the extra dimension, specially when this dimension is
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yyoon@fas.harvard.edu wrote:

> I just wonder if there are any known models that suggest higgs-like
> potential (Sigma a phi_a^2-constant)^2 in string phenomenology.[/color]

The D-term potential you write is completely natural in supersymmetric
gauge theories in four dimensions with at most eight supercharges (N <=
2). These gauge theories can be realized on a Hanany-Witten type brane
configuration in type IIA. Turning on the potential is accomplished by
introducing a Fayet-Iliopoulos parameter for the diagonal U(1) factor
of the gauge group. In the brane setup this corresponds to breaking
each color D4 on a flavor D6 and removing the two halves of the brane
configuration a finite distance in a flat direction of the internal
space. From this geometry it is clear that the Higgs phase emanates
from one specific point on the Coulomb branch and exists only if N_f >=
N_c.

Sixteen conserved supercharges in 4d (N=4) would force the potential to
be flat. Hence the restriction I mentioned.
 

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