Can LIGO Data Replicate the Famous Michealson & Morley Experiment?

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The discussion centers on the possibility of replicating the Michelson & Morley experiment using data from LIGO. Participants explore the feasibility of verifying the original experiment's results at higher resolutions and consider the implications of LIGO's design and data filtering on such an endeavor.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether LIGO data can be used to replicate the Michelson & Morley experiment, noting similarities in geometry and expressing concerns about the stability of LIGO over long time scales.
  • Another participant argues that LIGO functions similarly to the Michelson & Morley experiment but focuses on detecting brief changes in spacetime due to gravitational waves rather than a continuous ether.
  • A participant emphasizes that the question pertains more to the data from the interferometer rather than its design, suggesting that LIGO's focus on high frequencies may filter out relevant low-frequency data needed to investigate motion through the ether.
  • One participant asserts that building a more accurate Michelson & Morley experiment is unnecessary, citing the impossibility of running LIGO continuously for a year due to environmental factors like earthquakes and Earth tides.
  • Another participant contends that the original Michelson & Morley experiment demonstrated no detectable effect within its limits, and if LIGO could significantly improve upon those results, it would be noteworthy, though they express skepticism about the feasibility within an earthbound system.
  • A later reply reiterates the point about the original experiment's limitations and references existing data that could inform the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and feasibility of replicating the Michelson & Morley experiment with LIGO data. There is no consensus on whether such an endeavor would be possible or valuable.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention potential limitations related to data filtering in LIGO, the stability of the apparatus over long time scales, and environmental factors affecting continuous operation.

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Would it be possible to duplicate the Michealson & Morely experiment using LIGO data?

Essentially the geometry seems to be the same , so I was wondering whether it would be possible verify the M&M result at a much higher resolution using existing LIGO data or is the stability not designed to work at long enough time scales? Maybe the data is pre-filtered to only keep relatively high frequency data.

Maybe the
 
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LIGO is essentially a form of Michelson & Morley experiment. Instead of looking for a continuous ether traveling in a single direction, LIGO is looking for brief (and extremely small) changes in spacetime between the two paths due to the passing of a gravitational wave.

More information on LIGO's Interferometer.
LIGO's interferometer is classified as a Dual Recycled, Fabry-Perot Michelson Interferometer.
 
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yes, I realize that , that is why I asked the question.

The questions is more about the data interferometer than about the interferometer. Since they are focussed on relatively high frequencies , they may have filtered out anything long enough to inform about motion through the ether. I guess that would require very low frequencies 0.16 per hour max. preferable one per day.

I suspect the machine has not been designed to provide that kind of stability.
 
There is no need to build a more accurate MM experiment. The few people who are not convinced by the existing data will not be convinced by this.

Running LIGO for a year continuously, because of events like earthquakes, is impossible. There used to be problems with Earth tides as well, I don't know if these were solved or not. They are more predictable.

So, it's both impossible and unnecessary, which explains why it doesn't happen.
 
It is not a case of convincing anyone who is not convinced. MM proved that there was not a detectable effect within the limits of their apparatus. Anyone who is "convinced" of more than that is not being scientific.

IIRC, MM was only a couple of meters long on each leg. If LIGO is capable of adding a couple of orders of magnitude to what was done over 100y ago , it would be interesting. But maybe it is not possible within the constraints of an earthbound system.
 
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It is not a case of convincing anyone who is not convinced. MM proved that there was not a detectable effect within the limits of their apparatus. Anyone who is "convinced" of more than that is not being scientific.

IIRC, MM was only a couple of meters long on each leg. If LIGO is capable of adding a couple of orders of magnitude to what was done over 100y ago , it would be interesting. But maybe it is not possible within the constraints of an earthbound system.
I'm quite sure Vanadium meant what he wrote - that is the existing data, all of it, and not just the original M&M experiment.
See here:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html#round-trip_tests
 
Thanks Bandersnatch, nice resume.
 

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