Can Nonlinear Equations be Linearized Using Free Parameters?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the linearization of nonlinear equations, specifically the Lorenz equations, using free parameters. Participants explore the concept of replacing nonlinear terms with linear expressions and the implications of such substitutions on the equations' structure.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the Lorenz equations and expresses confusion about the concept of linearization, particularly regarding the use of a free parameter n to replace nonlinear terms.
  • Another participant clarifies that a mathematical expression is linear if it does not contain products of unknown variables, citing the presence of terms like XZ and XY in the Lorenz equations as evidence of their nonlinearity.
  • A subsequent reply suggests that the participant should replace the nonlinear terms with nZ and nY, while keeping X unchanged in the other terms of the equations.
  • Another participant questions whether the instruction to use Yn or nZ is an inclusive or, seeking clarification on the interpretation of the statement.
  • One participant asserts that it is an exclusive or statement, explaining that they can linearize different terms separately without violating the exclusivity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the instruction regarding the use of the free parameter n, leading to a debate about whether it is an inclusive or exclusive or statement. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct interpretation of the linearization process.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of linearization in the context of nonlinear equations and the potential ambiguity in the instructions provided. There is an emphasis on the need for clarity in the definitions and conditions under which linearization is applied.

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I am given the equations of Lorenz with respect to deterministic non-periodic flow:

\frac{dX}{dt} = Pr(Y-X), X(0)=X_{0}
\frac{dY}{dt} = -XZ + rX - Y, Y(0) = Y_{0}
\frac{dZ}{dt} = XY-bZ, Z(0) = Z_{0}

where Pr is the Prandtl number, r = Ra/Rac is the ratio of the Rayleigh number to its critical value, and b is a parameter that characterize the wave-number. I am told for the question that none of the derivation or mathematics behind it matter.

So the "question" (not really a question but merely a statement for me to figure out) is: A nonlinear quantity YZ may be linearized by replacing with Yn or nZ, where one of the original variables becomes a free parameter n. The equations above (Lorenz') can now be converted into a vector equation of the form

\dot x = A(n)x

Where x = [X,Y,Z]^{T} and \dot x means \frac{dx}{dt}

I don't think I'm interpreting the question correctly. It says I can replace any variable with a free parameter n? However I do that for instance with letting Y be a free parameter but equations two and three of Lorenz will not be linear as two variables will still be present. I'm under assumption that 'linearization' means having one variable with respect to the other, so I guess I'm at a conceptual loss here and would like to be put in the right direction.
 
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In simple words, a mathematical expression is linear if it does not contain products of any form between the unknown variables/functions/vectors/matrices (so say if x and y are unknowns the expression 5x+2y is linear but the expression 5xy+y or 5x^2+y are not linear).

In your case your equations 2 and 3 are not linear because they contain the terms XZ and XY respectively. I believe you are asked to replace these terms with nZ and nY, leaving X as it is in every other term of the equations.
 
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Delta² said:
I believe you are asked to replace these terms with nZ and nY, leaving X as it is in every other term of the equations.

That would seem to be convenient, however I must point out that it says Yn or nZ . Would it be appropriate to consider this an "inclusive or" statement? I was under the assumption given the context that one or the other but not both, but what you suggest makes more sense. I just need to be certain before continuing.
 
It is an exclusive or statement. But what I do does not violate the exclusive or. I am linearizing two different terms(the term XY to nY and the term -XZ to -nZ), not the same term in two different ways.
 
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Delta² said:
It is an exclusive or statement. But what I do does not violate the exclusive or. I am linearizing two different terms(the term XY to nY and the term -XZ to -nZ), not the same term in two different ways.

I think I see now. Many thanks.
 

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