Can the bare mass of a photon be set to zero in gauge theories?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of gauge symmetry on the mass of the photon within gauge theories, particularly focusing on whether the bare mass of a photon can be set to zero. Participants explore the relationship between bare mass and renormalized mass, and the effects of different regularization techniques on these masses.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that gauge symmetry prevents the photon from acquiring a mass, suggesting that the 1-loop correction does not include a term independent of external momentum due to gauge invariance.
  • There is a proposal to modify the statement to indicate that gauge symmetry prevents the photon from acquiring a bare mass specifically.
  • Others question whether the renormalized mass can always be set to zero, even in the absence of gauge symmetry, citing examples like \(\phi^4\) theory.
  • One participant notes a subtlety in setting the bare mass of the photon to zero, indicating that doing so leads to a physical mass that behaves quadratically with the cut-off, which raises concerns.
  • Another participant mentions that with dimensional regularization, the bare mass can be set to zero since the 1-loop correction does not contribute a momentum-independent term.
  • However, they also highlight that using a cut-off leads to a quadratic term that complicates the setting of the bare mass to zero, suggesting a potential adjustment of the bare mass to cancel this term.
  • There is a discussion about the possibility of having a pole at \(k^2=0\) if the bare mass is adjusted to counter the quadratic cut-off term.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of gauge symmetry for the mass of the photon and the feasibility of setting the bare mass to zero. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the relationship between bare and renormalized mass and the effects of regularization methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to the assumptions made about regularization techniques and the implications of gauge invariance, as well as the dependence on specific definitions of mass within the context of gauge theories.

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I read somewhere that gauge symmetry prevents the photon from acquiring a mass. The argument seems to go that the 1-loop correction to the photon won't contain a term independent of the external momentum due to gauge invariance, so there is no need for a bare mass counter-term.

So should that statement be modified to gauge symmetry prevents the photon from acquiring a bare mass?

Can't you always set the renormalized mass equal to zero, even if gauge symmetry is lacking? Like a \phi^4 theory?

Also, shouldn't the relationship between bare mass and renormalized mass be that they will always be proportional to each other, because there are no other parameters in the theory with dimensions of mass? Then it should follow that the bare mass can always be set to zero?
 
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geoduck said:
I read somewhere that gauge symmetry prevents the photon from acquiring a mass. The argument seems to go that the 1-loop correction to the photon won't contain a term independent of the external momentum due to gauge invariance, so there is no need for a bare mass counter-term.

So should that statement be modified to gauge symmetry prevents the photon from acquiring a bare mass?

Can't you always set the renormalized mass equal to zero, even if gauge symmetry is lacking? Like a \phi^4 theory?

Also, shouldn't the relationship between bare mass and renormalized mass be that they will always be proportional to each other, because there are no other parameters in the theory with dimensions of mass? Then it should follow that the bare mass can always be set to zero?
There is quite a subtlety with putting bare mass equal to zero for photon. In fact, if you will put bare mass of photon equal to zero, you will find that with a convergence factor included physical mass of photon goes quadratic with the cut-off !

This is as bad as it sounds, the 1 loop correction to photon propagator will include a mass term in zero momentum limit coming from the polarization tensor and it is not zero. Gauge invariance and lorentz invariance can not alone make it zero because this tensor can still have a pole at k2=0.
 
andrien said:
There is quite a subtlety with putting bare mass equal to zero for photon. In fact, if you will put bare mass of photon equal to zero, you will find that with a convergence factor included physical mass of photon goes quadratic with the cut-off !

It seems with dimensional regularization you can put the bare mass to zero because the 1-loop won't contribute a momentum-independent term.

But with cut-off you'll get a term that goes quadratic with cut-off. But then can't you set the bare mass equal to opposite of this cut-off, so that the renormalized mass is zero?

Gauge invariance and lorentz invariance can not alone make it zero because this tensor can still have a pole at k2=0.

It can have a pole at k2=0 if you adjust the bare mass to cancel the quadratic cutoff term?
 

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