Can the Cross Product of a Vector Field and Its Conjugate Be a Gradient?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of representing the cross product of a vector field and its conjugate as the gradient of a scalar field. Participants explore the implications of this relationship in the context of partial differential equations (PDEs) and vector calculus.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the PDE \(\vec{\nabla}\phi(x,y,z) = \vec{f}(x,y,z)\times\vec{f}^\ast(x,y,z)\) can be solved nontrivially, seeking examples or explanations.
  • Another participant suggests that the cross product may not be the correct operation to use, proposing the external product instead, and questions if the original inquiry relates to Laplace's equation.
  • A different participant provides a specific form for \(\vec{f}(x,y,z)\) and expresses curiosity about the existence of a non-constant complex vector field \(\vec{f}\) that satisfies the gradient condition.
  • One participant offers advice on the necessity of satisfying Laplace's equation for a potential function to exist and suggests checking the divergence of the derived formula for insights.
  • There is a mention of the condition \(f \neq f^*\) as significant for the discussion, with a suggestion to explore the implications of assuming \(f = f^*\) in the context of divergence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate mathematical operations to use and the conditions under which a potential function might exist. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the possibility of a nontrivial solution to the posed PDE.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of conditions such as satisfying Laplace's equation and the implications of the divergence of the derived expressions, but these aspects remain unresolved and contingent on further exploration.

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Is it possible to nontrivially represent the cross product of a vector field [itex]\vec{f}(x,y,z)[/itex] with its conjugate as the gradient of some scalar field [itex]\phi(x,y,z)[/itex]?

In other words, can the PDE

[itex]\vec{\nabla}\phi(x,y,z) = \vec{f}(x,y,z)\times\vec{f}^\ast(x,y,z)[/itex]

be nontrivially (no constant field [itex]\vec{f}[/itex]) solved?

If not, why? If so, can you give an example of such a scalar field? This problem has popped up in my research and I'm afraid my PDE skills are lacking.
 
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If I remember correctly, you cannot take the cross product of two vector fields, you need the external product. It is difficult to otherwise define which vectors you are operating on.

Does your question stem from Laplace's equation?
 
Let [itex]\vec{f}(x,y,z)=f_x(x,y,z)\hat{x}+f_y(x,y,z)\hat{y}+f_z(x,y,z)\hat{z}[/itex]. Then [itex]\vec{f}\times\vec{f}^\ast =(f_yf_z^\ast -f_y^\ast f_z)\hat{x}+(f_zf_x^\ast -f_z^\ast f_x)\hat{y}+(f_xf_y^\ast -f_x^\ast f_y)\hat{z}=2i\left [ \text{Im}(f_yf_z^\ast)\hat{x} + \text{Im}(f_zf_x^\ast)\hat{y} + \text{Im}(f_xf_y^\ast)\hat{z} \right ][/itex].

Does there exist a non-constant and necessarily complex [itex]\vec{f}[/itex] for which there exists a [itex]\phi[/itex] that satisfies [itex]\vec{\nabla}\phi=\vec{f}\times\vec{f}^\ast[/itex]?
 
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Hmmm, complex vector spaces, nice :approve:

Here's some tips that may help you: In order for a potential function to exist, it must satisfy Laplace's equation. Try calculating the divergence of the formula you derived and see whether it suggests something meaningful.

As for it being necessarily complex, the condition is that:

[tex]f\neq f^*[/tex]

Try starting with the condition [itex]f=f^*[/itex] in the divergence of [itex]\nabla φ[/itex]. It should lead you to a non-true statement.
 

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