Can this perturbation problem be solved using a multi-scale approach?

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The discussion revolves around the application of a multi-scale approach to solve a perturbation problem described by a second-order differential equation. Participants explore various methods for simplifying the problem, including reducing the order of perturbation expansions and examining specific cases of the parameter beta. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to perturbation theory.

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  • One participant suggests that reducing the order of the perturbation expansion to order 2 could make the problem more manageable.
  • Another participant questions how to effectively reduce the order of the perturbation expansion.
  • A participant presents a detailed expansion involving higher derivatives and asks whether the power of terms is affected when applying the differential operator.
  • Multiple participants share their results, including specific equations for R' and theta', and express confusion over discrepancies with a professor's expected results.
  • There is a discussion about the significance of the parameter beta, particularly when it takes the value 9/40, and its implications for the behavior of the system.
  • One participant outlines a method for deriving equations for R_T and phi_T using integrals and orthonormal bases, leading to a critical condition for beta.
  • Another participant notes that if 9 - 40beta < 0, there will only be one fixed point at (0,0), indicating a critical threshold for beta.

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Participants express differing views on the methods for solving the perturbation problem, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the implications of specific parameter values. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correctness of various proposed solutions and interpretations.

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Participants rely on specific assumptions about the behavior of the system and the definitions of terms in their expansions. There are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on the choice of perturbation order that may affect the outcomes.

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$$
\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} + x + \epsilon\frac{dx}{dt}\left[1 - \left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^2 + \beta\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^4\right] = 0,\quad\quad\epsilon\ll 1,
$$

Is there a smart way to do this problem? It will take forever to do directly.
 
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You can reduce the order of your perturbation expansion to something manageable i.e. order 2 (or just use maple).

Otherwise, looks like you'll have to get your hands dirty.
 
pickslides said:
You can reduce the order of your perturbation expansion to something manageable i.e. order 2 (or just use maple).

Otherwise, looks like you'll have to get your hands dirty.

How can I reduce it?
 
I have that $\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^4 = \left(\frac{\partial^4}{\partial t^4} +4\epsilon \frac{\partial^4}{\partial t^3\partial T}+6\epsilon^2\frac{\partial^4}{\partial t^2\partial T^2} + 4\epsilon^2\frac{\partial^4}{\partial t\partial T^3} + \epsilon^4\frac{\partial^4}{\partial T^4}\right)(x_0^4 + 4\epsilon x_1x_0^3 + 4\epsilon^2x_0^2x_2+6\epsilon^2 x_1^2x_0^2+\cdots)$

Now when applying the differential, would I have $x_{0tttt}^4$? I am asking is the power affected?
Note $x(t,T)$.
 
I ended up with this:
\begin{alignat*}{3}
R' & = & -\frac{1}{16}(5\beta R^5 + 8R)\\
\theta' & = & 0
\end{alignat*}

When beta is 9/40 it is supposed to be special. I don't see anything different in the plots or limit cycles.
 
dwsmith said:
I ended up with this:
\begin{alignat*}{3}
R' & = & -\frac{1}{16}(5\beta R^5 + 8R)\\
\theta' & = & 0
\end{alignat*}

When beta is 9/40 it is supposed to be special. I don't see anything different in the plots or limit cycles.

Here is how I got to this point: Is there a mistake? The professor had the $R_T = \frac{1}{16}(6R^3 - 5\beta r^2 - 8r)$.
However, I was extremely careful and don't see how you get that.

For $\frac{d^4}{dt^4}$, we have
$$
\frac{d^4}{dt^4} = \left(\frac{\partial^4}{\partial t^4} + 4\varepsilon \frac{\partial^4}{\partial t^3\partial T} + 6\varepsilon^2\frac{\partial^4}{\partial t^2\partial T^2} + 4\varepsilon^3\frac{\partial^4}{\partial t\partial T^3} + \varepsilon^4\frac{\partial^4}{\partial T^4}\right).
$$
We now have that
$$
\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = x_{0tt} + \varepsilon x_{1tt} + 2\varepsilon x_{0tT} + \cdots,
$$
$$
x = x_0 + \varepsilon x_1 + \cdots,
$$
$$
\varepsilon\frac{dx}{dt} = \varepsilon x_{0t} + \cdots,
$$
$$
-\varepsilon\frac{dx}{dt} \left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^2 = -\varepsilon x^2_{0ttt} - 2\varepsilon x^2_{0ttT} - \cdots,
$$
and
$$
\varepsilon \beta \frac{dx}{dt} \left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^4 = \varepsilon \beta x^5_{0ttttt} + \cdots .
$$
Putting it all together now
$$
x_{0tt} + \varepsilon x_{1tt} + 2\varepsilon x_{0tT} + \cdots + x_0 + \varepsilon x_1 + \cdots + \varepsilon x_{0t} + \cdots -\varepsilon x^2_{0ttt} - 2\varepsilon x^2_{0ttT} - \cdots + \varepsilon\beta x^5_{0ttttt} + \cdots = 0
$$
$$
\begin{array}{lclcl}
\text{Order } 1 & : & x_{0tt} + x_0 & = & 0\\
& & & & \\
\text{Order } \varepsilon & : & x_{1tt} + x_1 & = & x^2_{0ttt} + 2x^2_{0ttT} - x_{0t} - 2x_{0tT} - \beta x^5_{0ttttt}
\end{array}
$$
From the order 1 term, we have that $x_0 = R[T]\cos[t + \theta(T)]$.
Making the substitution into the order $\varepsilon$ term yields:
\begin{alignat*}{3}
x_{1tt} + x_1 & = & R\sin[t + \theta(T)] + 8R^2\cos[t + \theta(T)]\sin[t + \theta(T)] - \beta (1800R^5\cos^2[t + \theta(T)]\sin^3[t + \theta(T)]\\
& & - 1205R^5\cos^4[t + \theta(T)]\sin[t + \theta(T)] - 120R^5\sin^5[t + \theta(T)]) + 2(R_T\sin[t + \theta(T)]\\
& & + R\theta_T\cos[t + \theta(T)]) - 2(4RR_T\cos[t + \theta(T)]^2 - 4R_TR\sin[t + \theta(T)]^2\\
& & - 8R^2\theta_T\cos[t + \theta(T)] \sin[t + \theta(T)])
\end{alignat*}
Let $t + \theta(T) = \theta$.
Then we have
\begin{alignat*}{3}
x_{1tt} + x_1 & = & R\sin\theta + 8R^2\cos\theta\sin\theta - \beta (1800R^5\cos^2\theta\sin^3\theta - 1205R^5\cos^4\theta\sin\theta - 120R^5\sin^5\theta)\\
& & + 2(R_T\sin\theta + R\theta_T\cos\theta) - 2(4RR_T\cos\theta^2 - 4R_TR\sin\theta^2 - 8R^2\theta_T\cos\theta \sin\theta)\\
& = & \left(R + \frac{5}{8}\beta R^5 + 2R_T\right)\sin t + 2R\theta_T\cos t + \text{other terms}
\end{alignat*}
In order to suppress resonance, we must have that
\begin{alignat*}{3}
R_T + \frac{1}{16}(5\beta R^5 + 8R) & = & 0\\
2R\theta_T & = & 0
\end{alignat*}
That is,
\begin{alignat*}{3}
R_T & = & -\frac{1}{16}(5\beta R^5 + 8R)\\
\theta_T & = & 0
\end{alignat*}
The fixed points of $R_T$ are when $R_* = 0, \pm\frac{-(1/5)^{1/4} 2^{3/4}}{\beta^{1/4}}, \pm\frac{(-2)^{3/4}}{5^{1/4}\beta^{1/4}}$.
When $\beta = \frac{9}{40}$, we will either have a limit cycle of radius of approximately 1.625 or the trajectories will go to $(0,0)$ in the phase plane.
The trajectories go to $(0,0)$ when the initial conditions $x_j$ is in the interior of a circle with radius 1.625.
 
dwsmith said:
$$
\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} + x + \epsilon\frac{dx}{dt}\left[1 - \left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^2 + \beta\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^4\right] = 0,\quad\quad\epsilon\ll 1,
$$

Is there a smart way to do this problem? It will take forever to do directly.

$x(t,\varepsilon) = x_0(t,T)+\varepsilon x_1(t,T)+\cdots$ where the slow time is $T=\varepsilon t$. Let $f(x,x') = \frac{dx}{dt}\left[1 - \left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^2 + \beta\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^4\right]$.
$$
\frac{d}{dt}=\frac{\partial }{\partial t} +\varepsilon\frac{\partial }{\partial T}
$$
Then
$$
x_{0tt} + \varepsilon x_{1tt} + 2\varepsilon x_{0tT} + \cdots + x_0 + \varepsilon x_1 +\cdots +\varepsilon f(x_0,x_{0t})+\cdots = 0
$$
\begin{alignat}{3}
x_{0tt} + x_0 & = & 0\\
x_{1tt} + x_1 & = & - 2x_{0tT} - f(x_0,x_{0t})
\end{alignat}
Then $x_0(t,\varepsilon)=R(T)\cos(t+\phi(T))$.
$$
x_{1tt} + x_1 = 2R'\sin(t+\phi) +2R\phi'\cos(t+\phi) - f(R\cos(t+\phi),-R\sin(t+\phi))
$$
Let $\theta = t+\phi$.
Then
$$
f(R\cos\theta,-R\sin\theta) = \frac{a_0}{2} + \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}[a_n\cos n\theta + b_n\sin n\theta]
$$
where resonance is at the $n = 1$ terms.
$$
\sin\theta(2R' - b_1) = 0\quad \cos\theta(2R\phi' -a_1) = 0
$$
So
\begin{alignat}{3}
R_T & = & \frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\pi}^{\pi}f(R\cos\theta,-R\sin\theta)\sin\theta d\theta\\
R\phi_T & = & \frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\pi}^{\pi}f(R\cos\theta,-R\sin\theta)\cos\theta d\theta
\end{alignat}
Solving for $R$ first,
\begin{alignat}{3}
R(T) & = & \frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\pi}^{\pi}(-R\sin\theta)(1-R^2\sin^2\theta+\beta R^4\sin^4\theta)\sin\theta d\theta\\
& = & \frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\pi}^{\pi}[-R\sin^2\theta + R^3\sin^4\theta - \beta R^5\sin^6\theta]d\theta
\end{alignat}
Using the orthonormal basis $\left\{\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}},\cos\theta,\cos 2\theta,\ldots,\sin\theta,\ldots\right\}$, we can obtain the integral by its inner products.
\begin{alignat}{3}
R_T & = & -R\langle\sin^2\theta\rangle + R^3\langle\sin^4\theta\rangle -\beta R^5\langle\sin^6\theta\rangle\\
& = & \frac{-R}{2} + \frac{3R^3}{8} - \frac{5\beta R^5}{16}\\
& = & \frac{R}{16}(6R^2 - 8 - 5\beta R^4)
\end{alignat}
Let $\omega = R^2$.
Then
$$
6\omega - 8 - 5\beta \omega^2 = 0\Rightarrow R^2 = \omega = \frac{-6\pm\sqrt{36 - 160\beta}}{10\beta} = \frac{-3\pm\sqrt{9 - 40\beta}}{5\beta}.
$$
So
$$
R_T = \pm\sqrt{\frac{-3\pm\sqrt{9 - 40\beta}}{5\beta}}.
$$
If $9 - 40\beta < 0$, we will only have one fixed point at $(0,0)$. So the critical $\beta$ is $\beta = \frac{9}{40}$. Therefore, $0\leq\beta\leq\frac{9}{40}$. When $\beta$ is in this range, we will have 5 fixed points.
\begin{alignat}{3}
\phi(T) & = & \frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\pi}^{\pi}[-\sin\theta\cos\theta + R^2\sin^3\theta\cos\theta - \beta R^4\sin^5\theta\cos\theta]d\theta\\
& = & -\langle\sin\theta\cos\theta\rangle + R^2\langle\sin^3\cos\theta\rangle - \beta R^4\langle\sin^5\theta\cos\theta\rangle\\
& = & \phi_0
\end{alignat}
 
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