Can We Eliminate Violence and Evil in the World?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the possibility of eliminating violence and evil from the world, exploring the implications of such a change on human existence. Participants consider whether a world devoid of these elements would lead to a utopia or result in a meaningless life for humanity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the feasibility of completely eradicating violence and evil, suggesting that such an endeavor may not be possible.
  • One viewpoint posits that removing all sources of violence would not eliminate the concept itself, as violence can manifest in various forms beyond extreme actions.
  • Another participant argues that the existence of negative experiences, such as pain or discomfort, is necessary for appreciating positive experiences, implying that a world without evil could lead to a lack of meaning.
  • There is a discussion about the subjective nature of what constitutes "evil," with some suggesting that actions considered violent can vary greatly in perception among individuals.
  • One participant reflects on the idea that all actions, even seemingly benign ones, can have violent consequences, indicating a broader interpretation of violence in daily life.
  • A later reply introduces the notion that a utopia should be defined by what is present rather than what is absent, suggesting a more proactive approach to envisioning a better world.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express disagreement on the possibility of eliminating violence and evil, with multiple competing views on the implications of such a change and the nature of good and evil itself.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in definitions of violence and evil are noted, as well as the subjective interpretations of what constitutes a meaningful life. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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what happens if we could get rid of the violence in the world the evil in man, is it possible to get rid of itonce and for all and what would our world be like? would be a utopia or just a lot of human living a meanless life with nothing?




i ask these questions so maybe in our own small way we could push the human race into a better direction, if there is one?
 
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Originally posted by hamlet69
what happens if we could get rid of the violence in the world the evil in man, is it possible to get rid of itonce and for all and what would our world be like? would be a utopia or just a lot of human living a meanless life with nothing?

i ask these questions so maybe in our own small way we could push the human race into a better direction, if there is one?
Give everyone a frontal lobotomy.

Seriously? ... I don't think it's possible.
 
Its not possible.. think of it this way:

Remove all murderers.. and walla! No more murders in the world... wait, but there are still physical abusers! Remove them now too ! Take out the people who curse next, hell, let's take out the people who don't smile all the time too, such violent brutes!

My point being, "violence" is simply an end of a stick, making it shorter doesn't make it disappear. I suppose the only way is to remove the stick.. and we don't want to go there.
 
Originally posted by hamlet69
what happens if we could get rid of the violence in the world the evil in man, is it possible to get rid of itonce and for all and what would our world be like? would be a utopia or just a lot of human living a meanless life with nothing?


i ask these questions so maybe in our own small way we could push the human race into a better direction, if there is one?

umm, i read the following conclusion sometime this week:

there's two kinds of well-being: the first one and easier: to remain comfortable. it becomes boring after a while if nothing happens.
The second one: the stopping of pain produces a rush of pleasure. For instance, you have been doing exercise, and it's painful, but when you stop and relax your muscles, a rush of physical satisfaction runs through your body.

Same thing with the case of evil in the world. I think it will become "just a lot of human living a meanless life with nothing", as bad as it sounds. So basically, we do need bad things to happen, to appreciate and orient our lives towards goodness.
 
What would one really classify as evil, anyway? What may be to one, may not be to another. When it comes to violence, we are violent every day, some of us may not realize it...killing a bug, or even breathing, we kill or injure something with everything we do. Just because a bug or microbe may be the victim, doesn't make it any less violent. Bad things exist and happen for a reason, it creates a balance and actually allows us to view other things as good or pleasant. Emotion is what one would have to get rid of...it would take care of both ends of the spectrum and people would live without needing or feeling the need to think of such things...
 
Isn't man evil?
 
The Earth is but a threshing floor, to separate the wheat from the chaff.
 
what happens if we could get rid of the violence in the world the evil in man, is it possible to get rid of itonce and for all and what would our world be like? would be a utopia or just a lot of human living a meanless life with nothing?
It depends on what you see such utopia as. If you only define such situations in terms of what is missing, then an empty room is your paradise.

I think it is better to conceive of utopias and perfect worlds as what we want there to be, to drown out what we dislike.
 

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