Can y'(x)=5x^3(y-1)^\frac{1}{5} have infinitely many solutions?

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The discussion revolves around the differential equation y'(x)=5x^3(y-1)^\frac{1}{5} with the initial condition y(0)=1. Participants explore the existence of solutions, particularly whether there are infinitely many solutions or just a finite number, and consider various forms of piecewise solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants identify three specific solutions: y=x^5+1, y=-x^5+1, and the constant solution y=1.
  • Others suggest that piecewise combinations of these solutions might yield more solutions, proposing shifts and combinations around the constant solution y=1.
  • A participant presents several piecewise combinations but concludes with only six distinct forms, questioning the claim of infinitely many solutions.
  • Another participant proposes a piecewise function that switches at an arbitrary point a, but acknowledges that this would not be continuous at x=a.
  • Further contributions explore the idea of using y=1 up to a point and then transitioning to a different solution, suggesting a more complex structure to the solutions.
  • One participant introduces a continuously differentiable piecewise function that varies around y=1, noting the special nature of solutions near this value.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the number of solutions, with some asserting that there are only a finite number while others propose the possibility of infinitely many solutions through piecewise definitions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature and count of solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the solutions may depend on the continuity and differentiability conditions, particularly around the value y=1, which complicates the analysis of the solutions.

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Solve [math]y'(x)=5x^3(y-1)^\frac{1}{5}[/math], [math]y(0)=1[/math].

I found 3 solutions: [math]y=x^5+1[/math], [math]y=-x^5+1[/math] and the constant solution [math]y=1[/math].

But my prof said there are infinitely many solutions. Which are they?
 
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Alexmahone said:
Solve [math]y'(x)=5x^3(y-1)^\frac{1}{5}[/math], [math]y(0)=1[/math].

I found 3 solutions: [math]y=x^5+1[/math], [math]y=-x^5+1[/math] and the constant solution [math]y=1[/math].

But my prof said there are infinitely many solutions. Which are they?

How about piece wise combinations of those solutions?
And perhaps you can shift one of them to the left or right, combining it with $y=1$.
 
I like Serena said:
How about piece wise combinations of those solutions?
And perhaps you can shift one of them to the left or right, combining it with $y=1$.

Using piecewise combinations I get

1) [math]\displaystyle y =\begin{cases} x^5+1\ \text{if}\ x \ge 0\\ -x^5+1\ \text{if}\ x< 0\end{cases}[/math]

2) [math]\displaystyle y =\begin{cases} -x^5+1\ \text{if}\ x \ge 0\\ x^5+1\ \text{if}\ x< 0\end{cases}[/math]

3) [math]\displaystyle y =\begin{cases} x^5+1\ \text{if}\ x \ge 0\\ 1\ \text{if}\ x< 0\end{cases}[/math]

4) [math]\displaystyle y =\begin{cases} 1\ \text{if}\ x \ge 0\\ x^5+1\ \text{if}\ x< 0\end{cases}[/math]

5) [math]\displaystyle y =\begin{cases} -x^5+1\ \text{if}\ x \ge 0\\ 1\ \text{if}\ x< 0\end{cases}[/math]

6) [math]\displaystyle y =\begin{cases} 1\ \text{if}\ x \ge 0\\ -x^5+1\ \text{if}\ x< 0\end{cases}[/math]
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I get only 6, not infinitely many!
 
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How about:
$$ y =\begin{cases} x^5+1 &\text{if}\ x > a\\1 & \text{if}\ x< a\end{cases}$$
where $a$ is an arbitrary real number?
 
I like Serena said:
How about:
$$ y =\begin{cases} x^5+1 &\text{if}\ x > a\\1 & \text{if}\ x< a\end{cases}$$
where $a$ is an arbitrary real number?

But that wouldn't be continuous at $x=a$.
 
Alexmahone said:
But that wouldn't be continuous at $x=a$.

Sorry. You are right.
Let me think about it.
It must be possible to use $y=1$ up to some $x=a$ and from that point switch to a different solution.
 
How about for instance:
$$y=\begin{cases}
1 + (x^4-a^4)^{5/4} &&\text{if } x < a < 0\\
1 &&\text{if } a \le x < b \\
1 - (x^4-b^4)^{5/4} &&\text{if } x \ge b > 0\\
\end{cases}$$It is continuously differentiable. ;)Note that everything around $y=1$ is special, because your solution method breaks down around it.
 

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