Carl Sagan's Cosmos and Bertrand Russell

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The discussion revolves around a scene from Carl Sagan's "Cosmos," specifically episode ten, where Sagan references a book that appears to be Bertrand Russell and Alfred North Whitehead's "Principia Mathematica." Participants explore the implications of this reference and its connection to the themes of logical analysis and mathematical notation presented in the episode.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that Sagan opens a book resembling "Principia Mathematica" while discussing the logical machinery behind simple concepts.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the video's availability in different countries, mentioning their ability to view it in Canada.
  • A participant suggests it is plausible that the book is from "Principia Mathematica," but they do not confirm it definitively.
  • One participant shares a quote from G.H. Hardy regarding a dream of Russell, which reflects on the significance of "Principia Mathematica" and its notation.
  • Another participant asserts that the book is indeed "Principia Mathematica," citing its unique and complex notation as a distinguishing feature.
  • One participant expresses excitement about the potential nod to Russell in Sagan's work, emphasizing their admiration for both figures.
  • A participant acknowledges the difficulty of the notation used in "Principia Mathematica," referencing the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy's commentary on its complexity.
  • Another participant thanks someone for sharing the story about Russell, indicating interest in the historical context.

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Participants express varying degrees of certainty regarding whether the book in the episode is "Principia Mathematica." While some assert it is, others remain uncertain and suggest it is plausible without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are references to the complexity of the notation in "Principia Mathematica," which may affect participants' interpretations and understanding of the material discussed.

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Hello,

Watching this show for the first time. Just saw episode ten, The Persistence of Memory. When walking through his library of the mind, Carl opens a book that looks like Russell and Whitehead's Principia Mathematica at around 32:45, when talking about hidden logical machinery behind "The simplest thought, like the concept of the number 'one'."

Please can anyone confirm?

 
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From your link, I get:

This video is not available in your country.
 
phinds said:
From your link, I get:

This video is not available in your country.

Interesting. From a previous post, it seems that 3.141592 is in the UK. I can watch the video in Canada.

It is quite plausible that the page is from Principia Mathematica, but I don't know for sure.

Interesting also that Sagan put the book back on the shelf. G.H. Hardy, in A Mathematician's Apology, wrote
I can remember Bertrand Russell telling me of a horrible dream. He was in the top floor of the University Library, about A.D. 2100. A library assistant was going round the shelves carrying an enormous bucket, taking down books, glancing at them, restoring them to the shelves or dumping them into the bucket. At last he came to three large volumes which Russell could recognize as the last surviving copy of Principia Mathematica. He took down one of the volumes, turned over a few pages, seemed puzzled for a moment by the curious symbolism, closed the volume, balanced it in his hand and hesitated...
 
Thankyou both from replying. I'm sorry the link doesn't work for you both. (Yes, I am from the UK.)

Attached is a screen grab if anyone is interested. I just thought the topic Sagan was speaking of at that moment and the language he was using ('The brain has its own language of logical analysis for checking the consistency of the world', 'Logical machinery behind a seemingly-simple idea like the number 1' etc.) as well as the notation on the page, all reminded me of PM very much.

I only ask of curiousity: after Russell, Sagan is probably my biggest hero so I would be thrilled if Bertie got a nod in Cosmos :)
 

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Yes, it is the principia mathematica. No other math book uses these kind of totally unreadable notations.

Here is their proof that 1+1=2 by the way:

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Thankyou Micromass. I understand no one uses this notation anymore and even the Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy states that modern students of logic will likely find the notation difficult. That, in part, is why it jumped out at me. It sure looked like PM!

Well, Sagan whipping out a Russell book in a mock-up of a human brain has just about made my day, so I think I'm going to log off and go to bed before anything ruins it.

'Night All! :approve:
 
Also, to George Jones: I have never come across this story about Russell before. Thanks for sharing!
 

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