Cephid Variables: Finding Distance from Parallax & Magnitude

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The discussion revolves around calculating the distance to Cepheid variable stars using parallax and apparent magnitude. Participants explore the relationship between brightness, distance, and magnitude, while addressing specific calculations related to two Cepheid variables with given parameters.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the distance to a Cepheid variable with a parallax of 0.002 arcseconds as 500 parsecs.
  • Another participant explains that if one star is twice as bright, it must be four times nearer due to the inverse square law of light.
  • A participant questions whether they can assume that a star that is 1E8 times dimmer must be further away, seeking clarification on the relationship between flux, distance, and magnitude.
  • It is noted that the distance modulus relates apparent magnitudes to distance, and that the same period of two Cepheid variables implies they have the same absolute magnitude.
  • One participant expresses a need for further assistance in obtaining the magnitudes of the stars, indicating they were not provided with the period necessary for calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationships between brightness, distance, and magnitude, but there is no consensus on the specific calculations or the implications of the given parameters, particularly regarding the second star's distance.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the calculations based on assumptions about luminosity and apparent magnitude, but there are limitations due to the lack of provided period values for the stars, which are necessary for further calculations.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in astrophysics, particularly those studying the properties and calculations related to Cepheid variable stars and distance measurement techniques.

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This one has me stumped:

A galactic Cephid variable has a parralax of 0.002 arcseconds. What is it's distance in parsecs? A second cephid variable with the same period is 20 magnitudes fainter. What is the distance to this second star?

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Now I worked out that the distance to the former is 500pc.

Then using a flux equation I learned in lectures, I gathered that since the difference in the maginuteds is 20, one of the the stars must be 1E8 times brighter. So if we denote the second star as flux 1, the first star has flux 1E8.

But how then would I work out the distance to the second star of flux 1?
 
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If a star is twice as bright it must be 4x nearer (since light spreads out in an inverse square)

The link between apparent magnitudes and distance is called the "distance modulus"
 
Thank you for your informative reply, but I don't want to jump into this just yet.

I have values (which are know exact but are representative) in fluxes. I understand that distances are usually correlated with luminosities and apparent magnitudes. Do I just jump the gun and say 'since this star is 1E8 times dimmer, it must be so-so further away?

And the question states that the two stars also have the same period, what does this tell me?

Is there anyway where I can get the magnitudes of the stars? I would be gratified for some more help as I really like astrophysics.
 
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I have values (which are know exact but are representative) in fluxes. I understand that distances are usually correlated with luminosities and apparent magnitudes. Do I just jump the gun and say 'since this star is 1E8 times dimmer, it must be so-so further away?
Pretty much
You don't need to convert the magnitude to fluxes since the 'log' in the distance formula effectively does that. Since one star is 10^8 times fainter than it must be 10,000 times further away (assuming they are the same brightness)

And the question states that the two stars also have the same period, what does this tell me?
The period of a of a cepheid depends on it's absolute magnitude - so the same period means the same power.

Is there anyway where I can get the magnitudes of the stars?
If you have the period - yes there is a formula
 
Alas I was not given the period.

Thank you for your help.
 

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