[CHEM] Simple stoichiometry problem help

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The discussion revolves around a stoichiometry problem involving the reaction of a magnesium and aluminum alloy with hydrochloric acid (HCl) to produce magnesium chloride (MgCl2), aluminum chloride (AlCl3), and hydrogen gas (H2). Participants are attempting to determine the mass percent of magnesium in the alloy based on the amount of hydrogen gas produced.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculated the moles of H2 produced and set up the overall reaction, concluding that the mass percent of Mg is approximately 32%, but questioned this result as it contradicts the expected answer of 16%.
  • Another participant pointed out that the initial assumption of the Mg to Al ratio in the combined reaction may not be valid, suggesting that the ratio could vary.
  • A different participant suggested a method to express the masses of Mg and Al in terms of a single variable, which could facilitate solving the problem.
  • One participant confirmed the correctness of the reaction equation but noted that the relationship between moles of Mg and H2 produced needs careful consideration, indicating that 2 moles of H2 are produced per mole of Mg.
  • Another participant challenged the assertion that the relationship between moles of Mg and H2 is always consistent, implying that there may be exceptions or additional factors to consider.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct stoichiometric relationships or the mass percent of magnesium in the alloy. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the ratios and calculations involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions about the stoichiometry of the reactions and the ratio of magnesium to aluminum in the alloy, which may affect the calculations. The discussion also highlights potential discrepancies in the interpretation of the chemical equations.

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Homework Statement



5.00g alloy of Magnesium and Aluminum is treated with excess HCl, forming MgCl2 and AlCl3 and 6.65L of H2 at 25 degrees celsius and 99.2kPa. What is the mass percent of Mg in the alloy?



Homework Equations



PV = nRT

The Attempt at a Solution



Using PV = nRT, I found the moles of H2 gas to be approximately 0.2663. Now I attempted to setup my overall reaction by combining the half reactions.

Mg + 2HCL --> MgCl2 + H2 (1)
2Al + 6HCL --> 2AlCl3 + 3H2 (2)

Adding them we obtain:

Mg + 2Al + 8HCL ---> MgCl2 + 2AlCl3 + 4H2

Using the above equation, I know that 1 mol of Mg reacts with 4 moles of H2, therefore x moles of Mg reacts with 0.2663 moles of H2. Therefore, the moles of Mg is approximately equal to .2663/4 = 0.066575 mol.

Multiplying the moles of Mg by it's molar mass, 24.31 g/mol gives you about 1.6g of Mg, which in turn if 32% of the 5g compound.

The problem is that the answer to the question isn't 32%, it's 16%. If it's 16% then my mole ratio was likely wrong because if you have a ratio of 1 mol of Mg for every 8 moles of H2, you get 16% as your answer, I just don't see how that ratio would come to be.

Furthermore, the charges are not balanced in my equations, is that a problem?

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Batmaniac said:

Homework Statement



5.00g alloy of Magnesium and Aluminum is treated with excess HCl, forming MgCl2 and AlCl3 and 6.65L of H2 at 25 degrees celsius and 99.2kPa. What is the mass percent of Mg in the alloy?



Homework Equations



PV = nRT

The Attempt at a Solution



Using PV = nRT, I found the moles of H2 gas to be approximately 0.2663. Now I attempted to setup my overall reaction by combining the half reactions.

Mg + 2HCL --> MgCl2 + H2 (1)
2Al + 6HCL --> 2AlCl3 + 3H2 (2)

Adding them we obtain:

Mg + 2Al + 8HCL ---> MgCl2 + 2AlCl3 + 4H2

STOP THERE. You can't do this. You can't add them together since you don't know the ratio of Mg to Al. As you have shown it, it is 1:2 but is this the only ratio possible?
 
Hmm, then I've no idea how to work with those two separate equations to obtain an answer.
 
Your equation is good, take a look at the left side of it, you will see that 1 atom Mg take
2 molecules HCl with a release of 2 H forming quickly H2 so 2/8 of the genesis from H2 is the responsibilty from the Mg. In the calculation you get 0.066575 mol H2 so than divide this amount by 2 multiply by atom weight Mg and you get your amount of Mg further calculation gives 16%. In brief: one mole Mg release two mole H atoms with the formation of one mole H2
 
There is a lot more that you know that you haven't thought about. For example,

Let x = grams Al and let y = grams Mg, then
x+y=5

Since y=5-x, we know the mass of both Mg and Al in terms of one unknown, 'x'.

Another thing that you know,

moles Mg = (5-x) grams Mg / FW Mg and,
moles Al = x grams Al / FW Al.

That should help you figure it out...
 
mit said:
Your equation is good, take a look at the left side of it, you will see that 1 atom Mg take
2 molecules HCl with a release of 2 H forming quickly H2 so 2/8 of the genesis from H2 is the responsibilty from the Mg. In the calculation you get 0.066575 mol H2 so than divide this amount by 2 multiply by atom weight Mg and you get your amount of Mg further calculation gives 16%. In brief: one mole Mg release two mole H atoms with the formation of one mole H2

This is not true always.
 

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