China Urges US to sign the Kyoto Treaty

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The discussion centers around China's urging of the United States to sign the Kyoto Protocol, with a focus on the implications of emissions regulations and the perceived fairness of the treaty's provisions for different countries. The scope includes political, environmental, and economic considerations related to climate change and international agreements.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that China is already making efforts to reduce emissions, arguing that it is unfair to expect developing countries like China and India to limit energy consumption given their large populations and economic conditions.
  • Others argue that the Kyoto Protocol unfairly exempts China while imposing strict restrictions on the U.S., suggesting that this could disadvantage U.S. competitiveness in the global economy.
  • Concerns are raised about China's significant coal burning being a major source of CO2 emissions, with some participants questioning the effectiveness of the treaty in addressing this issue.
  • There is a repeated assertion that the U.S. is the largest emitter of CO2, with some participants expressing skepticism about the treaty's fairness and its implications for U.S. regulations.
  • A participant wonders about the contribution of natural fires to greenhouse gas emissions, indicating a broader inquiry into various sources of emissions.
  • Some posts include links that appear unrelated to the main discussion, suggesting a diversion from the topic at hand.
  • There is a question regarding the number of Kyoto signatories that are not developing nuclear power, indicating interest in the energy policies of participating countries.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the fairness or effectiveness of the Kyoto Protocol. Disagreement exists regarding the implications of China's role in the treaty and the responsibilities of the U.S. in emissions reduction.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on assumptions about the economic impacts of emissions regulations and the definitions of fairness in international agreements, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051201/ap_on_re_ca/canada_climate_change
China's Sun Guoshunis said his country was already cutting the polluting emmisions, adding it was unfair to expect China and India — with the world's largest populations — to ask their impoverished people to cut back on energy consumption.
"We really feel pity that the U.S. has not yet, and is not going to join the Kyoto Protocol, not only because of the size of its total emissions, but also because of its higher per capita emissions," Sun, director of the Department of Treaty and Law at the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said in an interview with The Associated Press.
He spoke during the first meeting of the 140 countries that have ratified the Kyoto Protocol since it was signed in 1997 and went into effect in February.
More than 8,000 environmentalists, scientists and government officials were attending the 10-day conference in Montreal. Some 120 environment ministers and other government leaders were expected to arrive next week for the final negotiations.
Those countries are missing out on the moolah. :smile:
 
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Why wouldn't China urge the U.S. to adopt the protocols which essentially exempt China while placing severe restrictions on the U.S.? It's a crafty way to keep your labor costs low in a competitive world economy while placing your competitors at a decided disadvantage.
 
Are all these environmentalists just oblivious to the insanely obvious implications when it comes to China's role in the treaty?
 
Aren't the burning coal layers in China the biggest source of Co2 in the world?
But then again, you really can't do much about that.
But true, The US could cut down a bit on fuel consumption.
 
I'm pretty sure the US is #1 in CO2 emissions. This isn't about the US cutting emissions, this is about giving China a free pass to pollute at will. We already cut regulations based on our own legislation
 
I wonder how much natural fires contribute to the GHG composition of the atmosphere.
 
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I'm pretty sure the US is #1 in CO2 emissions. This isn't about the US cutting emissions, this is about giving China a free pass to pollute at will. We already cut regulations based on our own legislation
Legislation allows you to cut regulations? What's that supposed to mean?
 
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That looks like a typo - I'm sure he meant to say legislation is causing cuts in emissions.
 
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Does anyone know how many of the Kyoto signatories aren't actively developing nuclear power?
 

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