Climate Science: Cultural, Organizational & Political Factors

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The discussion centers on the interplay of cultural, organizational, and political factors affecting the progress of climate science. Participants explore how these elements may hinder scientific advancement and the implications for the integrity of scientific inquiry in this field.

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  • One participant cites a paper arguing that political influence has slowed progress in climate science, shifting the focus from traditional scientific methods to simulation and observational programs.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the reception of the paper's author, suggesting that bold claims may lead to backlash due to political correctness.
  • References are made to the author's appearance in a documentary, indicating a controversial stance on climate science.
  • Some participants question whether the current climate science debate aligns with traditional scientific principles, suggesting a regression in the separation of science from political and religious influences.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential biases in scientific research related to climate change and the implications for decision-making.

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Participants express differing views on the influence of politics in climate science, with some agreeing on the problematic nature of this influence while others challenge the validity of certain claims and the motivations behind them. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the relationship between scientific inquiry and political agendas, noting that assumptions about the integrity of scientific processes may vary significantly among contributors.

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http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0809/0809.3762.pdf

For a variety of inter-related cultural, organizational, and political reasons, progress in climate science and the actual solution of scientific problems in this field have moved at a much slower rate than would normally be possible. Not all these factors are unique to climate science, but the heavy influence of politics has served to amplify the role of the other factors. By cultural factors, I primarily refer to the change in the scientific paradigm from a dialectic opposition between theory and observation to an emphasis on simulation and observational programs. The latter serves to almost eliminate the dialectical focus of the former. Whereas the former had the potential for convergence, the latter is much less effective. The institutional factor has many components. One is the inordinate growth of administration in universities and the consequent increase in importance of grant overhead. This leads to an emphasis on large programs that never end. Another is the hierarchical nature of formal scientific organizations whereby a small executive council can speak on behalf of thousands of scientists as well as govern the distribution of ‘carrots and sticks’ whereby reputations are made and broken. The above factors are all amplified by the need for government funding. When an issue becomes a vital part of a political agenda, as is the case with climate, then the politically desired position becomes a goal rather than a consequence of scientific research. This paper will deal with the origin of the cultural changes and with specific examples of the operation and interaction of these factors. In particular, we will show how political bodies act to control scientific institutions, how scientists adjust both data and even theory to accommodate politically correct positions, and how opposition to these positions is disposed of.
 
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Geez Wolram, where did you find that one? Meanwhile be assured that the author, Prof Richard Lindzen will be lynched for his boldness withstanding political correctness.
 
Lindzen had a cameo in the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle
 
I think I will move this to the social sciences forum.
 
Isn't it interesting that Climate Science debate doesn't seem to be Science.
I thought the Enlightenment was the start of the separation of Scientific pursuits of knowledge and the separation of Politics and Religion out of hard Science. Or not.

Anyway, looks like we're in retrograde motion in this discipline/thread.
 
jim mcnamara said:
Isn't it interesting that Climate Science debate doesn't seem to be Science.

Right, I think that Richard Lindzen was a bit premature, exposing the 'motives' for climate scaremongering before reality has proven long enough for everybody to feel that's it's not warming at all. This way it resembles the skeptics oil company bribe myth.

Anyway, we can only hope to learn from it next time that we cannot afford biased science for decision making.
 

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