Colliding Black Holes & Einstein's Equations

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The discussion centers around the implications of colliding black holes as described in a video by Neil deGrasse Tyson, particularly focusing on the distortion of spacetime and the potential for time travel as suggested by Einstein's equations. Participants explore theoretical aspects of black hole mergers, time dilation, and observational challenges related to such extreme events.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references Tyson's claim that colliding black holes could create paths through spacetime that allow for time travel, questioning how such severe warping of spacetime could occur.
  • Another participant notes that Tyson's comments were based on a paper he did not fully understand, suggesting that the conclusions drawn about time travel may be incorrect and highlighting the paradoxes associated with time travel.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the nature of time in extreme conditions, suggesting that the concepts of past, present, and future may lose meaning near black holes.
  • One participant raises the issue of time dilation, arguing that objects near a black hole would appear to slow down from an observer's perspective, complicating the notion of collision.
  • Another participant echoes confusion about the observational aspects of black hole collisions, questioning how one could infer events occurring inside the event horizons based on distant observations.
  • A later post suggests that gravitational lensing might allow for some visibility of the edges of black holes, despite the challenges posed by time dilation and observational limitations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the implications of black hole collisions, the nature of time in such scenarios, or the observational capabilities regarding these events. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations related to the understanding of time dilation effects, the observational challenges of black holes, and the speculative nature of time travel theories. There is an emphasis on the complexity and potential paradoxes involved in these discussions.

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I was watching Neil deGrasse Tyson video, in which he describes a scenario of colliding black holes. He mentions that when two black holes collide, there is a huge distortion of the space time between those two black holes as each of their even horizons intersect (i.e. each black hole has passed the others' event horizon). He says that, according to Einstein's Equations, the severely distorted space time that "there is a path you can take around two moving black holes that haven't quite collided where you can end up in the past of when you started that journey."

From what I understand, light can't escape a black hole because the space time loops back in on itself so to say so that there is no path out, making the escape velocity larger than that of light. However, when two of them collide, the space time gets even more distorted. I was wondering: how exactly is it possible that space time can be warped so severely that it can allow for a method of time travel?

Video: http://youtu.be/CAD25s53wmE

Thank you in advance for any comments.
 
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Dr Tyson's comment came around minute 48 of the video where he was discussing a paper on black hole mergers where he inferred the author had concluded reverse time travel was a possible outcome. It was an impromptu remark about a paper he admittedly did not understand and he [or the author] may easily have drawn an incorrect conclusion. Time travel to the past presents a cornucopia of paradoxes with unknown consequences. Perhaps trapping such events behind an event horizon avoids the potential issue of paradoxes, but, also renders the hypothesis untestable.
 
Yosty22 said:
I was watching Neil deGrasse Tyson video, in which he describes a scenario of colliding black holes. He mentions that when two black holes collide, there is a huge distortion of the space time between those two black holes as each of their even horizons intersect (i.e. each black hole has passed the others' event horizon). He says that, according to Einstein's Equations, the severely distorted space time that "there is a path you can take around two moving black holes that haven't quite collided where you can end up in the past of when you started that journey."

From what I understand, light can't escape a black hole because the space time loops back in on itself so to say so that there is no path out, making the escape velocity larger than that of light. However, when two of them collide, the space time gets even more distorted. I was wondering: how exactly is it possible that space time can be warped so severely that it can allow for a method of time travel?

Video: http://youtu.be/CAD25s53wmE


Thank you in advance for any comments.

Well, I don't know. I do know that in such extreme circumstances the whole idea of time and pastpresentfuture loses all meaning. An opaque mystery, as far as I'm concerned. There is a professor at University of Col at Boulder who studies this stuff, so you might look that up.
 
just reading through & got me thinking.
wouldn't you need to take time dilation close to the black holes into account ?
the closer an object is to the event horizon the slower it would appear to an observer.

surely they could never ultimately collide as seen by an observer ?
( ok not actually SEEN but compared to the time away from the event horizons )
 
I'm not sure, but as "seen" by the observer, I don't think they would collide. It kind of confuses me reading through this again, because if you are observing it from afar, you never "see" them collide, so how would you have any sort of guess what could be happening on the inside of the possible collision?
 
oh :( didn't realize items entering a black hole needed to be observed for time dilation to be effecting them.

surely their edges could both be seen if matter was falling into them, due to gravitational lensing, or possibly other effects. aren't they theoretically supposed to emit low level heat.
 

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