Complex Vectors in Geometric Algebra

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the interpretation of complex vectors within the framework of Geometric Algebra (GA). Participants explore how complex scalars and vectors can be represented and understood in GA, including the implications for inner products and geometric interpretations.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that a complex scalar can be represented as a combination of real components and a bi-vector in GA.
  • Another participant suggests that complex vectors can be handled by introducing additional orthogonal basis versors, with the imaginary unit represented as a bi-vector.
  • A different approach is presented where complex components are expressed using 3-blades instead of 2-blades, raising questions about the validity of this representation.
  • Participants inquire about the definition of the inner product for these complex vector representations and its geometric interpretation.
  • There is a discussion about the challenges of assigning a geometric meaning to the inner product of complex vectors, particularly regarding angles and the nature of the resulting complex scalars.
  • One participant questions the geometric interpretation of inner products of complex numbers and suggests that a clearer understanding of simpler cases might be necessary before tackling complex vectors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various approaches and interpretations regarding complex vectors in GA, with no consensus reached on the best representation or the geometric meaning of inner products of complex vectors.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and assumptions underlying the representations of complex vectors and their inner products in GA.

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Hello,
I have recently started to study some Geometric Algebra.
I was wondering how should I interpret complex-vectors in \mathcal{C}^n in the framework of Geometric Algebra.
I understand already that a complex-scalar should be interpreted as an entity of the kind:

z = x + y (\textbf{e}_1 \wedge \textbf{e}_2)

where the imaginary-unit is instead the unit bi-vector in \mathcal{R}^2. Now for a real-vector in \mathcal{R}^n one would obviously have:

\textbf{x} = x_1 \textbf{e}_1 + \ldots + x_n \textbf{e}_n

But what would be the equivalent if x were instead complex?
 
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Hi Peeter!
It's always nice to see your replies as soon as GA pops up :)

As far as I understood the trick to handle complex vectors is quite straightforward. They simply consider N extra orthogonal basis versors \mathbf{f}_i. The imaginary-unit for each component of the vector would then be the bi-vector (\mathbf{e}_{i} \wedge \mathbf{f}_{i}).

However, when I was trying to figure out this by myself I came up to something similar, but I don't know if it's correct. My solution uses only 2 extra dimensions (instead of N). I'll explain how:

\mathbf{z} = (a_1 + ib_1)\mathbf{e}_{1}+\ldots+ (a_n + ib_n)\mathbf{e}_{n}

\mathbf{z} = a_1\mathbf{e}_{1}+\ldots+a_n\mathbf{e}_{n} \\ + \\ i(b_1\mathbf{e}_{1}+\ldots+b_n\mathbf{e}_{n})

At this point I set i=\mathbf{e}_{n+1}\mathbf{e}_{n+2}.
Obviously, i^2=(\mathbf{e}_{n+1}\mathbf{e}_{n+2})^2=-1
So, each imaginary component becomes b_i(\mathbf{e}_{n+1}\mathbf{e}_{n+2}\mathbf{e}_{i}) = b_i(\mathbf{e}_{n+1} \wedge \mathbf{e}_{n+2} \wedge \mathbf{e}_{i})

The difference is that before the bases for complex elements were simply 2-blades, but now they are unit 3-blades.
Can all this work too?
 
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How would you define the inner product with this representation?
 
That's a good question, in fact, I don't know. But I found a paper which apparently follows the same method I was using and develops also the Hermitian Inner Product.
You can find it here:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/u304122440q01714/
If you don't have access to it, just tell me.


By the way, there is still something that I don't get about these representations of complex-vectors in GA:

We all agree that if u have two vectors (or even two blades), it is possible to give a perfect geometrical meaning to the scalar-product (or contraction) which gives information about the angle of incidence between the two subspaces (vectors, planes, volumes...)

However, when we take the inner-product between two complex-vectors we get the cosine between what? actually it is even a complex scalar! ... is it possible to assign a geometrical interpretation to inner-products of complex vectors in terms of angles between blades?
 
Do you have a geometric interpretation for the inner product of two plain old complex numbers? I'm not sure what I'd call that entity in general (clearer is the case where the complex numbers are of unit length), and would want to figure that out before moving on to try to give a geometric meaning to the complex vector inner product.

Perhaps dropping a formal attempt at geometrical interpretation is best. When you calculate a Fourier series (which is inherently an inner product based decomposition) do you try to call the Fourier components geometric entities? Calling them projections is about as far as a geometric analogy takes you.

re, the paper. I've been out of school for 10 years, and have no access to private journals.
 

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