Confusion about selection rules

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The discussion revolves around the selection rules in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of atomic transitions. Participants explore the selection rules for spontaneous emission in hydrogen, the Zeeman effect, and transitions in helium atoms, as well as the implications of fine structure in hydrogen without an external magnetic field.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the selection rules for spontaneous emission in hydrogen, specifically Δl=±1 and Δml=0,±1, and seeks clarification on their derivation.
  • Another participant notes that the selection rules for the Zeeman effect are Δj=0,±1 and Δmj=0,±1, but does not provide a clear explanation for these rules.
  • A participant references selection rules for helium, stating Δl_total=±1, Δs_total=0, and Δj_total=0,±1, indicating a lack of understanding regarding these rules.
  • Discussion includes the consideration of fine structure in hydrogen, where the relevant quantum numbers are n, l, j, and mj, and how this affects the selection rules.
  • One participant explains that electric dipole selection rules depend on whether the matrix element ##\langle i | \hat{\mu} | f \rangle## is zero, and questions whether the inquiry pertains to the physical reasoning behind the rules.
  • Another participant elaborates on the role of angular momentum conservation in determining selection rules, specifically Δl=±1 due to the spin-1 nature of photons and the implications for Δml.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the rules for Δj and Δmj, with a note that Δj=0 is complex due to the interplay of angular momentum components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the selection rules, with no consensus reached on the explanations for the rules, particularly for the Zeeman effect and helium transitions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate a need for deeper exploration of the physical reasoning behind the selection rules, while others provide technical insights that may not fully resolve the initial confusion.

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While I am reviewing my undergrad physics for qualifying exam, I became confused about the numerous selection rules.

(1) We have the selection rules for spontaneous emission in a hydrogen atom: Δl=±1 ,Δml=0,±1. This rule is the easiest to understand by evaluating <n'l'm'|z|nlm>

(2) We have the selection rules for Zeeman effect.
Δj=0,±1 ,Δmj=0,±1. I don't understand the reasons for these rules.

(3) We also have the selections rules for a helium atom where one of its electron is excited: (Modern Physics by Randy Harris, Section 8.9): Δl_total=±1, Δs_total=0, Δj_total=0,±1 (0->0 forbidden). I am totally no clue on this one.

(4) What about a hydrogen atom, without external magnetic field, but in contrast to (1), we are now considering fine structure so the good quantum numbers are n,l,j,mj?
 
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I'm not sure what kind of answer you are looking for. Electric dipole selection rules are always based on whether ##\langle i | \hat{\mu} | f \rangle##, where ##\hat{\mu}## is the dipole operator, is zero or not. Or by "reason" do you mean the physical explanation behind the rule?
 
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For 2, you need to know that a photon is a spin 1 particle and some basic rules of angular momentum addition. The total angular momentum of the atom and photon has to equal the total angular momentum of the excited atom.
An electric dipole only operates on the spatial (orbital) part of the wavefunction and not the spin part. When fine structure is involved, you have to consider that an eigenfunction is a superposition of up to two spatial wavefunctions (of n, l, m_l). That is,
##\psi_{nljm_j} = a \psi(x)_{nl,m_l=m_j-1/2} \psi_{m_s=+1/2} + b \psi(x)_{nl,m_l=m_j+1/2} \psi_{m_s=-1/2}##
So the problem including fine structure just reduces to the sum of some calculations with no fine structure (approximately).
 
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DrClaude said:
I'm not sure what kind of answer you are looking for. Electric dipole selection rules are always based on whether ##\langle i | \hat{mu} | f \rangle##, where ##\hat{mu}## is the dipole operator, is zero or not. Or by "reason" do you mean the physical explanation behind the rule?

Yes I do mean the physical reasons behind these rules
 
The photon is a spin-1 particle, meaning that it has ħ angular momentum. Conservation of angular momentum is responsible for the selection rule Δl = ±1, and conservation of the projection of angular momentum for Δml = 0, ±1 (corresponding to π, σ+, and σ- polarized light).

Δs = 0 because the EM field doesn't couple to spin.

The rules for Δj and Δmj follow from the above rules for orbital angular momentum and spin. Δj = 0 is a bit more complicated to explain, but it comes from the fact that even though Δl = ±1, you can modify the orientations of l and s such that the resulting j vector is the same length, but this does not work if j = 0, so no 0 → 0 transition.
 

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