Convolution with a normalised function

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The discussion revolves around the properties of convolution involving a normalized function and its implications on the integrals of the original and convolved functions. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning related to convolution in the context of functions defined over specific domains.

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  • One participant questions whether the integral of a function f(t) is equal to the integral of its convolution g(t) with a normalized function h(t).
  • Another participant argues that this equality does not hold in general, providing a specific example with an asymmetrical h(t) where the integrals differ.
  • A subsequent reply refines the question by specifying the context of physical systems where h(t) is zero for t<0, asking if the property holds under this condition.
  • Another participant responds that the property still does not hold in many cases, providing a different example with a piecewise function h(t) that leads to a different integral for g(t).

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Participants do not reach a consensus, as multiple competing views are presented regarding the validity of the integral equality under different conditions and function definitions.

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Limitations include the dependence on the specific forms of f(t) and h(t), as well as the conditions under which the functions are defined, which may affect the validity of the claims made.

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Im struggling to find proof for this suspicion I have;

Given is a function f(t) and a normalised function h(t), and their convolution;

f(t) * h(t) = g(t)

Is it true that [tex]\int fdt = \int gdt[/tex] ?
 
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That is not always true, take some asymmetrical h, for example take:

[tex]f(t) = t[/tex]
[tex]h(t) = \frac{2}{3\sqrt{\pi}} (t-1)^{2} e^{-t^2}[/tex]

then

[tex]g(t)=\int_{-\infty}^\infty f(x)h(t-x)\;dx = t +\frac{2}{3}[/tex]

and the primitive of f does not equal the primitive of g.
 
Thanks, well spotted, but I was regarding physical systems, i.e.

[tex]h(t<0)=0[/tex]

Does it hold here?
 
No in many cases it does not hold, for example take:

[tex]f(t) = t[/tex]
[tex] h(t) = \left\{\begin{array}{ll}<br /> 0 & \;\;,t<0\\<br /> 1 & \;\;,0 \leq t \leq 1\\<br /> 0 & \;\;,t>1\\<br /> \end{array}\right.[/tex]

then

[tex]g(t)=\int_{-\infty}^\infty f(x)h(t-x)\;dx = \int_{t-1}^t x\;dx = t -\frac{1}{2}[/tex]

and the primitive of f does not equal the primitive of g.
 

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