Cosmic Mystery: Was There Baryonic Matter During Radiation Domination?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the presence and role of baryonic matter during the radiation-dominated era of the universe, specifically from approximately 4,700 years to 378,000 years after the Big Bang. Participants explore whether baryonic matter existed in this period and how it interacted with radiation and plasma.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether baryonic matter existed during the radiation-dominated era or if it was entirely in the form of plasma.
  • Others note that the transition from radiation to matter domination occurred around z=3400, suggesting that matter was still present as plasma before the universe became transparent.
  • It is proposed that during this era, baryonic particles had kinetic energies much greater than their mass-energies, leading them to behave like radiation.
  • Participants discuss the significant presence of photon energy, with one noting that after matter/antimatter annihilation, there were about a billion photons for every baryon, highlighting the baryon-photon ratio.
  • There are claims that at high energies, different particle species occurred in approximately equal numbers, though differences in interactions between photons and other particles are acknowledged.
  • As the universe cooled, the number of protons and electrons decreased due to annihilation processes, leading to an imbalance in the number of photons compared to baryonic matter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and behavior of baryonic matter during the radiation-dominated era, with no consensus reached on the specifics of its presence or role.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various assumptions about particle interactions and energy states, but these assumptions remain unresolved and are subject to interpretation.

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Radiation dominated the universe 4,700yrs to 378,000yrs, do the facts in the literature mean there was no baryonic matter between those yrs or was there still plasma or some sort of mass?
 
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wolram said:
Radiation dominated the universe 4,700yrs to 378,000yrs, do the facts in the literature mean there was no baryonic matter between those yrs or was there still plasma or some sort of mass?
The changeover from radiation to matter domination happened around z=3400, time around 50,000 years. At that stage the matter was still in the form of plasma and the universe not transparent. At ~378,000 years it cooled enough to become transparent, but it happened over a period of time.
 
wolram said:
Radiation dominated the universe 4,700yrs to 378,000yrs, do the facts in the literature mean there was no baryonic matter between those yrs or was there still plasma or some sort of mass?
During the radiation-dominated era, the baryonic particles had kinetic energies much greater than their mass-energies, so that they acted like radiation.
 
Chalnoth said:
During the radiation-dominated era, the baryonic particles had kinetic energies much greater than their mass-energies, so that they acted like radiation.

Is that where the name "Radiation Era" comes from?
 
Chalnoth said:
During the radiation-dominated era, the baryonic particles had kinetic energies much greater than their mass-energies, so that they acted like radiation.
But was there not a significant amount of photon energy around as well?
I understand that relativistic particles had lots of kinetic energy and that this portion decayed just like photons (de Broglie wavelength increasing inversely with scale factor a).
 
Jorrie said:
But was there not a significant amount of photon energy around as well?
Yes, and in fact most of the energy was carried by photons. After matter/antimatter annihilation, there were about a billion photons for every baryon: this fact is often expressed via the tiny baryon-photon ratio, [itex]\eta \approx 6 \times 10^{-10}[/itex].
 
Jorrie said:
But was there not a significant amount of photon energy around as well?
I understand that relativistic particles had lots of kinetic energy and that this portion decayed just like photons (de Broglie wavelength increasing inversely with scale factor a).
Yes. When the energies were very high, each species of particle would have occurred in approximately equal numbers, as when the typical photon energy is much higher than, say, the electron mass, then interactions are, for the most part, just as likely to produce a pair of photons as an electron/positron pair.

There are some differences due to the fact that photons and electrons/positrons are not actually the same particle and have different interactions, but these differences don't change the relative abundance by much more than about 50% or so.

As the temperature fell and the masses of the protons and electrons started to make a difference for the interactions, the number of protons and electrons fell precipitously as matter/anti-matter pairs annihilated and were not replaced by new matter/anti-matter pairs. This eventually led to the imbalance mentioned by bapowell above: once all of the matter/anti-matter pairs had annihilated and we just had matter left behind, there were about a billion times as many photons as protons/electrons.
 

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