Could Dark Energy Be Caused by Imaginary Mass Traveling Faster Than Light?

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The discussion centers around the possibility that dark energy could be linked to mass that travels faster than light, potentially resulting in imaginary mass. Participants explore the implications of this idea, including the relationship between mass, energy, and the nature of dark energy, as well as the constraints imposed by the speed of light.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if mass were imaginary, then energy would also be imaginary, raising questions about the detectability of such mass traveling at high speeds.
  • Others assert that nothing can move faster than the speed of light and that particles with mass cannot reach light speed, emphasizing the mysterious nature of dark energy and its role in cosmic expansion.
  • A participant mentions that Einstein's equation allows for the theoretical existence of particles known as tachyons, which could travel faster than light and might be linked to dark energy, although no evidence for such particles exists.
  • Some contributions reference extensive testing of Einstein's theories, asserting that none have been found wrong, which supports the claim that mass cannot reach light speed.
  • There is a suggestion that sufficient energy input could potentially allow for exceeding the speed of light and accessing higher dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the relationship between dark energy, imaginary mass, and the speed of light. There is no consensus on the validity of the proposed ideas or the implications of faster-than-light travel.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various articles and FAQs for further information, indicating a reliance on existing literature to support their claims. The discussion includes unresolved assumptions about the nature of mass and energy in relation to dark energy.

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Is there a possibility that dark energy comes from mass that travels faster than the speed of light, making its mass imaginary?
 
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hi tmv3v! welcome to pf! :smile:

e = mc² (and the c² is nothing more than a conversion factor),

so if the mass was imaginary, wouldn't the energy be imaginary also? :wink:
 
couple of other points nothing moves faster than the speed of light and particles with mass cannot reach light speed. Dark energy is a mysterious energy that is attributed to causing expansion. No one knows where it comes from IE its source. However it is often attributed to being the energy driving expansion.

Dark matter has nothing to do with dark energy by the way, also its slower than relativistic speeds

there are numerous articles in the FAQ subforum that would be handy for you

Ned Wrights FAQ has some useful information you may want to check out

also http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html


myself and other PF members wrote the article contained in this thread its lengthy as it covers expansion principles, redshift and cosmic distance ladder in one overall article. However you will find some info on dark energy in its contents as well.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=685265

the article is easily found here.

Welcome to the forum
 
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tiny-tim said:
hi tmv3v! welcome to pf! :smile:

e = mc² (and the c² is nothing more than a conversion factor),

so if the mass was imaginary, wouldn't the energy be imaginary also? :wink:

Thanks you the reply:) I was thinking that's why its hard to detect as they are travel so fast.

Mordred said:
couple of other points nothing moves faster than the speed of light and particles with mass cannot reach light speed. Dark energy is a mysterious energy that is attributed to causing expansion. No one knows where it comes from IE its source. However it is often attributed to being the energy driving expansion.

Dark matter has nothing to do with dark energy by the way, also its slower than relativistic speeds

there are numerous articles in the FAQ subforum that would be handy for you

Ned Wrights FAQ has some useful information you may want to check out

also http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html


myself and other PF members wrote the article contained in this thread its lengthy as it covers expansion principles, redshift and cosmic distance ladder in one overall article. However you will find some info on dark energy in its contents as well.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=685265

the article is easily found here.

Welcome to the forum

Thanks for the reply:). Is there a prove that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light? Is there a possibility that if we input sufficient energy we can somehow exceed it and go up a dimension to remain faster than the speed of light?
 
This wiki article describes some of the tests done. There have been extensive testing of GR and SR. For that matter extensive tests on pretty much all of Einsteins theories. None of his theories have been found wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_relativistic_energy_and_momentum

the above section also covers why a mass particle cannot reach the speed of light.
 
tiny-tim said:
hi tmv3v! welcome to pf! :smile:

e = mc² (and the c² is nothing more than a conversion factor),

so if the mass was imaginary, wouldn't the energy be imaginary also? :wink:

This is not entirely true. Einstein's full equation is E=mc2/√(1-v2/c2). Meaning if the mass were imaginary it could travel a speeds greater than c in order to produce a real (meaning non-imaginary) energy. This particle you're referring to is known as a tachyon and is plausible theoretically but there is no evidence of it's existence. These types of particles could theoretically be as varying as the particles we know in the real world and be the cause of the accelerated expansion of the universe (dark energy). However, dark matter is certainly some type of particle that behaves as having a real and positive mass.
 
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