Could element 137 electrons become superluminal in a retrocausal atom?

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical implications of electrons in element 137 potentially becoming superluminal within the context of a retrocausal atom. Participants explore the validity of a formula relating atomic number, fine-structure constant, and electron speed, while addressing the limitations of non-relativistic approximations in this scenario.

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  • One participant presents a formula suggesting that at atomic number 137, electrons could achieve superluminal speeds, questioning the feasibility of this scenario.
  • Another participant argues that the formula is a non-relativistic approximation and is only valid for atomic numbers much smaller than 137, indicating that it oversimplifies the situation.
  • A request is made for the relativistic equation governing electron behavior in high atomic number elements.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the energy equations for non-relativistic and relativistic atoms, highlighting that for αZ = 1, the energy becomes zero, and for αZ > 1, it becomes imaginary, suggesting that the Dirac solution is no longer applicable.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of the initial formula for element 137, with some supporting its exploration while others emphasize its limitations and the need for relativistic considerations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these findings.

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The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions of non-relativistic physics, the dependence on the fine-structure constant, and the implications of high atomic numbers on electron behavior, which remain unresolved.

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I found the equation for the speed of an electron today. atomic number*fine-structure constant*speed of light. rearranging we get z= v/σc. if you set v to c then you find that at element 137 the electrons become superluminal. This can be possible right? a retrocausal atom! Could someone please explain why this won't happen. Thanks for any help.

sorry, for the typo in the title.
 
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This formula is a non-relativistic approximation, valid only for Z much smaller than 137. It is not true for large Z. (It is also a huge oversimplification that ignores things like the fact that different electrons in an atom have different velocities and the fact that that no electron has a definite velocity; nevertheless it does give the right order of magnitude for the electron velocity, as long as Z is much less than 137).
 
what's the relativistic equation?
 
There's more involved than just "relativistic". For the nonrelativistic atom the energy of the ground state is

E = - mc22 Z2/2)

The corresponding relativistic formula (exact solution of the Dirac equation) is

E = mc2 √(1 - α2Z2)

For αZ << 1 it reduces to the rest mass mc2 plus the nonrelativistic value. However for αZ = 1 it goes to zero. This is a warning that the single-particle Dirac solution is no longer valid, since the negative energy solutions can no longer be ignored. In fact for αZ > 1 the energy becomes imaginary.
 
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