Could Planet 9 have caused the gap between the heliopause and the Oort cloud?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the hypothetical existence of Planet Nine and its potential influence on the gap between the heliopause and the Oort cloud. Participants explore various aspects of this topic, including the planet's formation, energy sources, and gravitational effects on surrounding celestial bodies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if Planet Nine exists, it may have originally formed closer to the gas giants and could have undergone a gravitational slingshot effect, but its ability to clear the zone between the Kuiper belt and Oort cloud is questioned.
  • Others argue that the Kuiper belt lies in the plane of the solar system while the Oort cloud is more spherical, suggesting different dynamics in their interactions.
  • A participant notes that the distances involved indicate Planet Nine is presumed to be in the Kuiper belt, which is significantly closer to the Sun than the Oort cloud.
  • Some contributions highlight that the heliopause's position fluctuates based on solar and interstellar pressures, and while Planet Nine's magnetic field might have some influence, it is minimal compared to the Sun's magnetosphere.
  • There is a suggestion that Planet Nine would primarily receive energy from the Sun rather than from extra solar sources, with radioactive decay also being mentioned as a potential energy source.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and implications of Planet Nine, with no consensus reached regarding its influence on the gap between the heliopause and the Oort cloud or its energy sources.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the distances of the Kuiper belt and Oort cloud, indicating a need for clarity on the definitions and models used in discussing Planet Nine's position and effects.

Blayde Keel
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The proposed orbit of Planet Nine looks like it falls in a gap between the heliopause and the Oort cloud; could planet Nine have caused the gap? Would Planet Nine get most of it's energy (electro-magnetic) from extra solar sources, since it is outside the heliopause?
 
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It's a bit early to be working on the assumption that this planet definitely does exist.
However if it does, one likely scenario is that it originally formed closer to the the other gas giants, but at some point experienced a gravitational slingshot effect due to a chance alignment of the other planets.
While traveling outbound it probably would have accumulated a bit more mass, but it's not really likely to have cleaned up the entire zone between the Kuiper belt and Oort cloud.
One consideration is that the Kuiper belt is more or less in the plane of the solar system, while the Oort cloud is more like a spherical shell.
Where it's orbit is supposed to be located now is very far from the Sun, but the Sun is still by far the closest star.
All other stars are so far away that the amount of light the planet would receive from them would not be significantly different to that received by the other solar system planets.
 
That's not very helpful mathman, or very informed. The Inner Oort Cloud possibly includes the Sednoids (i.e. objects like Sedna), depending on the model chosen. Planet 9 presumably sculpts the Inner Oort Cloud via its gravity, as its existence is inferred from its effect on the Sednoids.

Planet 9 is, at a minimum, 200 AU from the Sun. The Kuiper Belt isn't much past 50 AU.

mathman said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oort_cloud
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuiper_belt

Note the distances. The ninth planet presumable is in the Kuiper belt, nowhere near the Oort cloud.
 
Blayde Keel said:
The proposed orbit of Planet Nine looks like it falls in a gap between the heliopause and the Oort cloud; could planet Nine have caused the gap? Would Planet Nine get most of it's energy (electro-magnetic) from extra solar sources, since it is outside the heliopause?

The heliopause oscillates depending on the magnetic pressure of the Sun's solar wind and the ram pressure of the interstellar medium. Planet 9's magnetic field might have some influence, but otherwise it's a tiny blip compared to the immensity of the Sun's magnetosphere. Planet 9 still gets far more radiant energy from the Sun than any other form of electromagnetic energy it might encounter out there. Most of its energy would likely come from radioactive decay.
 

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