Could Space Topologies Unify Matter and Energy in a Curved Cylinder Model?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential unification of matter and energy through a proposed model involving space topologies, specifically a curved cylinder. Participants explore the implications of this model in relation to theories of cosmic fate, such as the Big Crunch and the Big Freeze, and consider how it might align with Hubble's Law and Newton's third law.

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Main Points Raised

  • Shaad proposes that the Big Crunch and Big Freeze could be unified under a model of space that incorporates a curved cylinder, suggesting this could align with Hubble's Law.
  • Some participants express confusion over Shaad's ideas, questioning the coherence of the proposal and the feasibility of equating the Big Crunch and Big Freeze.
  • One participant argues that the Big Crunch and Big Freeze represent fundamentally different outcomes and cannot be reconciled without speculative assumptions about dark energy.
  • Shaad mentions writing a paper on the structure of space and its relationship with time, indicating a broader exploration of these concepts.
  • Another participant reminds that personal theories are not allowed in the forum, suggesting a limitation on the discussion of speculative ideas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the validity and coherence of the proposed unification of the Big Crunch and Big Freeze. There is no consensus on the feasibility of Shaad's model or the implications of space topology.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the current understanding of cosmic topology and the nature of dark energy, as well as the challenges of testing speculative theories through observation.

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hello, my name is shaad, i was wondering if both theories of spatial destruction (The Big Crunch and The Big Freeze) could be simplified to fit the consistent expansion rate of space by Hubble's Law. What if the structure of the universe would be altered in a way to have a major unification of matter and energy in the symmetry of the topoligical space , kind of like a curved cylinder placing a largest gravitational field in the middle. The idea would be consistent towards Newton's third law and would mean that we are not moving away from space but vice versa.![/B][/B]
 
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I have no idea what you are talking about. That is, I find your post to be incoherent. Maybe it's just me.

In any case the big crunch and the big freeze cannot be equated. One is death by fire the other by ice. Robert Frost would be very unhappy to hear that you want them to be the same :smile:
 
scientistshaad said:
hello, my name is shaad, i was wondering if both theories of spatial destruction (The Big Crunch and The Big Freeze) could be simplified to fit the consistent expansion rate of space by Hubble's Law. What if the structure of the universe would be altered in a way to have a major unification of matter and energy in the symmetry of the topoligical space , kind of like a curved cylinder placing a largest gravitational field in the middle. The idea would be consistent towards Newton's third law and would mean that we are not moving away from space but vice versa.![/B][/B]

The big freeze is what is assumed will happen currently. The big crunch is what requires space topology be different. We don't have any observable evidence that our current idea of a flat, homogenous, infinite, and infinitely expanding universe is incorrect.

It’s best not to speculate on these things, and there is certainly no way to combine the big freeze with the big crunch, expect to speculate about dark energy reversing (instead of accelerating expansion it accelerates collapse) which doesn’t do any good until we understand dark energy. It’s also pointless to wonder whether the universe is actually curved and we can’t measure it (it looks almost assuredly flat) because of sample sizes within the observable universe or whether the universe actually has the topology of say, a torus; until we can test it through experimentation and observation.

This is if I understand any of what your actual question was about.
 
phinds, i understand all of your confusions as the idea cannot be described to such brevity, i am writing a paper on the structure of space and its multidimensional link with time, describing redshifts and rate of expansion of the universe, time which will be posted on my blog soon.
 
I'm sorry but personal theories are not permitted here as per PF rules.
 

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