Crush 1" from End of 1.5" Tube - Press Requirements

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The discussion revolves around the requirements for a press capable of crushing the ends of a 1.5-inch diameter steel tube with a wall thickness of 0.120 inches. Participants explore the necessary conditions and calculations involved in achieving this task, including material properties and press specifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the material type and its strength are critical factors, along with the length of the tube to prevent buckling.
  • Another participant clarifies that the tube will be supported by a stop bracket and that the press will utilize two dies.
  • A participant initially misunderstands the task, assuming an axial force is needed, but later confirms the goal is to squeeze the ends of the tube.
  • It is mentioned that similar presses are used for making electrical splices and typically require a minimum of 15 tons of force, with larger diameters possibly needing up to 100 tons.
  • A formula for calculating the yield strength collapse pressure is provided, which includes variables for yield strength, diameter, and wall thickness of the pipe.
  • Another participant reports successful application of the formula, calculating a specific pressure requirement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the requirements and methods for crushing the tube. While some agree on the importance of material properties and provide calculations, others remain uncertain about the specifics of the press needed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about material properties and the specific application of the press, which may not be universally applicable. There is also a lack of consensus on the exact specifications needed for the press.

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I have a tube 1 1/2 diam. wall thickness .120 We need to crush each end about 1 inch in from the end. We are in need of the requirements of a press that will do the job?
your help is needed thank you
 
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It makes a difference what the material is and what its strength is. Also, it's length must be sufficiently short to prevent buckling before it crushes, or at least it should be sideways supported against buckling, and also to prevent local buckling of the tube wall. What material you talking? Steel, fiberglass, cardboard??
 
steel 3 feet long it will be supported at the other end by a stop bracket the press will have two dies
 
Dell Johnson said:
steel 3 feet long it will be supported at the other end by a stop bracket the press will have two dies
Oh, I misuderstood, i think. I was assuming from your title that you wanted to place an axial force on the pipe. But do you want to instead 'squeeze' the ends to flatten the pipe, kind of close it off? If so, I don't think I can help. But please clarify.
 
yes it is to be squeezed
 
Dell Johnson said:
yes it is to be squeezed
Oh, sorry. I don't know for sure. These presses are often used to make electrical splices between 2 wires by using an alumimum or steel tube installed over each end, and compressed (squeezed) with a 2 piece circular or hex shaped die. They require usually a minimum 15 ton hydraulic press, sometimes a 60 or even a 100 ton press for diameters over 2". I'm not sure of the wall thickness, though, in this application. You might want to check the tubing manufacturer's recommendations (Burndy and Anderson-Fargo and Alcoa come to mind).
 
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Dell Johnson said:
I have a tube 1 1/2 diam. wall thickness .120 We need to crush each end about 1 inch in from the end. We are in need of the requirements of a press that will do the job?
your help is needed thank you

For your particular pipe, collapse is governed by yield strength collapse.

Yield strength collapse pressure is given by:

P_{yp} = 2Y_p \cdot \frac{(\frac{D}{t} - 1)}{(\frac{D}{t})^2}

where,

P_{yp} is the external pressure required to generate minimum yield stress in the pipe
Y_p is the yield strength of the pipe
D is the diameter of the pipe
t is the wall thickness of the pipe

Hope this helps.

CS
 
Stewartcs formula worked well. I came up with 3,827.2 Pyb

Thank you all for your in put

Dell
 

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