Dark energy - Expansion of the universe

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The discussion centers around the relationship between dark energy and the expansion of the universe, exploring theoretical implications, observational evidence, and the nature of dark matter and dark energy. Participants engage in conceptual clarifications and express skepticism regarding the current understanding of these phenomena.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that dark energy is related to the cosmological constant in the Einstein Field Equations.
  • Others argue that while the universe is observed to be expanding and accelerating, the exact nature of dark energy remains unknown, and it is referred to as a form of energy required for this expansion.
  • A participant questions the boldness of claiming certainty about the universe's expansion and suggests a more cautious approach, emphasizing observational evidence rather than definitive statements.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between dark matter and dark energy, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their nature and suggesting that terms like "dark gravity" might be more appropriate until further understanding is achieved.
  • Some participants propose that dark matter may consist of multiple particle species, including WIMPs, axions, and neutralinos, indicating a complexity that is not yet fully understood.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some agreeing on the observational aspects of the universe's expansion while others remain skeptical about the interpretations and implications of dark energy and dark matter. The discussion reflects multiple competing views and unresolved questions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in current understanding, including the dependence on observational data and the potential for misconceptions arising from terminology used to describe dark matter and dark energy.

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Hi everyone!

Could you explain me how is the dark energy related to the expansion of the universe??


Thanks!
 
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It is the cosmological constant in the Einstein Field Equations.
 
We don't really know what it is; what we do know is what we observe: that the universe is expanding and accelerating.

Even without knowing anything more about what is causing this expansion, we know it will require energy to do so. Whatever form it takes, we call it Dark Energy.
 
But why the problem of the accelerating universe is addressing to some missing mass? how can we state that? From the einstein field equation?
 
teddd said:
But why the problem of the accelerating universe is addressing to some missing mass? how can we state that? From the einstein field equation?

Please rephrase.
 
DaveC426913 said:
We don't really know what it is; what we do know is what we observe: that the universe is expanding and accelerating.

Even without knowing anything more about what is causing this expansion, we know it will require energy to do so. Whatever form it takes, we call it Dark Energy.

I'm going to respectfully ask if it isn't just a bit bold to claim that "we know...the universe is expanding and accelerating".

Wouldn't it be wiser and safer to say:
We observe the angular rotation of galaxies and currently prefer dark matter as an explanation.
We observe the redshift of quasars and currently prefer an accelerating universe/dark energy as an explanation.

It is very uncomfortable to put all one's eggs in the basket of invisible and potentially perpetually undetectable forms of matter and energy, and blithely say it adds up to 94% of the universe. That's too great a leap of faith for me to accept such explanations as chiseled into the stone of certainty.

In my lifetime, a number off these sorts of explanations have been propounded as the state of the art. I think it's too soon to be anything other than skeptical.

Respectfully,
Steve
 
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Dotini said:
I'm going to respectfully ask if it isn't just a bit bold to claim that "we know...the universe is expanding and accelerating".

Wouldn't it be wiser and safer to say:
We observe the angular rotation of galaxies and currently prefer dark matter as an explanation.
We observe the redshift of quasars and currently prefer an accelerating universe/dark energy as an explanation.
That's pretty much what I am saying.

We observe the universe ot be expanding. We don't know why, but through some mathematical origami, it can be viewed as energy.

Even if we have no idea of the source or manifestation of the energy.


Think of it kind of like this: a ball is magically lifted from the ground to the table. We have no idea what lifted it there, yet we can still confidently figure out how much energy this magical movement required.
 
Dark matter and dark energy is something that is completely unaccounted for. As some of you pointed out we can measure that the universe is expanding, and we're pretty sure it's correct, I think it was Edwin Hubble who discovered that galaxy's was moving away from us (our horizon in space is centered on Earth) and galaxy's further away is moving faster away from us while nearby galaxy's is moving with a lesser speed which is very similar to an explosion in this case the big bang. It requires energy for an accelerating expanding universe and we don't understand what it is = dark energy. When we talk about dark matter it is another "thing" where we are completely ignorant of what accounts for it. We don't know if its matter, we know its there because we feel its gravitation so dark gravity might be the right placeholder term until we figure out what it is. Until then dark energy and dark matter could be called Christian and Martin - we have no idea what they are.

/WeW
 
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Whateverworks said:
Dark matter and dark energy is something that is completely unaccounted for. As some of you pointed out we can measure that the universe is expanding, and we're pretty sure it's correct, I think it was Edwin Hubble who discovered that galaxy's was moving away from us (our horizon in space is centered on Earth) and galaxy's further away is moving faster away from us while nearby galaxy's is moving with a lesser speed which is very similar to an explosion in this case the big bang. It requires energy for an accelerating expanding universe and we don't understand what it is = dark energy. When we talk about dark matter it is another "thing" where we are completely ignorant of what accounts for it. We don't know if its matter, we know its there because we feel its gravitation so dark gravity might be the right placeholder term until we figure out what it is. Until then dark energy and dark matter could be called Christian and Martin - we have no idea what they are.

/WeW

Dark gravity?
The thing which separates any normal-baryonic matter to dark matter is the fact that 'dark matter' as the name suggests does not influence Electromagnetic radiation at all,gravitation however does influence it. Numerous categories of candidates have been theorized however WIMPS have come out as notable candidates in recent studies.
-ibysaiyan
 
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ibysaiyan said:
Dark gravity?
The thing which separates any normal-baryonic matter to dark matter is the fact that 'dark matter' as the name suggests does not influence Electromagnetic radiation at all,gravitation however does influence it. Numerous categories of candidates have been theorized however WIMPS have come out as notable candidates in recent studies.
-ibysaiyan

Hello Ibysaiyan.

It's correct that "dark matter" does not interact with electromagnetic radiation in any way. However, as you pointed out, gravitation does influence it. Weakly interacting massive particles could be the right hypothesis but until then I would suggest that "dark matter" is a name that could lead to a misconception but equally dark gravity might and probably will do the same.

Respectfully

/WeW
 
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I think dark matter will eventually prove to be more than one particle species. Perhaps WIMP's, axions, neutralinos and other exotics are all out there hiding.
 

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