Decay of Excited Atoms: Probability & Nonlinearity

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The discussion revolves around the decay of excited atoms and whether their decay probabilities follow a linear or nonlinear pattern over time. Participants explore the relationship between radioactive decay, excited states, and the implications of environmental interactions on decay rates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the decay of excited atoms or electrons is governed by a nonlinear decay probability that varies with time.
  • Another participant explains that radioactive decay follows an exponential law, noting that the decay rate varies with time and is not the same for all nuclei.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether excited atoms or electrons also adhere to the exponential decay law.
  • It is asserted that while the probability of decay for a specific atom decreases over time, the overall decay follows an exponential pattern, and excited atoms will decay exponentially if not influenced externally.
  • One participant mentions that if all atoms are initially excited, they will eventually return to a Boltzmann distribution in the presence of a thermal environment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of decay for excited atoms and whether it follows the same exponential law as radioactive decay. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the definitions of decay probability and the influence of environmental factors on atomic states that remain unaddressed. The discussion also touches on the concept of population inversion and its implications for atomic decay.

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I learned that the probability of radioactive decay for an atom is always the same. However, is the decay of and excited atom or electron non linear(decay probability varies with time)?
 
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Radioactive decay is governed by the exponential law $$N(t)=N_0e^{-\lambda t}$$ where N_0 denotes the number of nuclei at t=0 , and \lambda is the decay constant which is different for different nuclei. If you use the word "probability of radioactive decay" for "rate of radioactive decay" it is not same for all nuclei. In case of radioactive decay too, the decay rate \frac{dN}{dt} also varies with time in a nonlinear fashion.

In presence of the environment, the eigenstates of the atomic Hamiltonian are not true eigenstates of nature. Therefore, each atomic level has a certain lifetime \tau which depends upon the interaction it is subjected to. In general, a single atom continues to make transitions between the atomic energy levels.
 
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I mean is decay of excited atoms or electrons governed by the exponential law too?
 
The probability that an existing atom will decay within the next second is always the same.

If you follow a speific atom, the probability that it exists (in the original state) goes down over time - because it might have decayed. That means the probability that you observe the decay after X seconds is smaller than the probability that you observe it after Y seconds if X>Y.Every radioactive decay follows an exponential decay.

There are no excited electrons. Excited atoms exist, and if you don't influence them from the outside, they will decay exponentially.
 
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Trollfaz said:
I mean is decay of excited atoms or electrons governed by the exponential law too?

If at any instant of time all the atoms are excited to the higher energy level i.e., a population inversion is achieved, it will eventually relax back to a Boltzmann distribution in presence of a temperature bath.
 

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