Degree of Extension: n Primes to Q

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The discussion revolves around the degree of the field extension \(\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{p_1},\sqrt{p_2},...,\sqrt{p_n})\) over \(\mathbb{Q}\), where \(p_1, p_2, \ldots, p_n\) are distinct primes. Participants explore methods to prove that this degree is \(2^n\), focusing on induction and the irreducibility of certain polynomials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using induction to show the degree of the extension, indicating that the challenge lies in proving the irreducibility of a polynomial in an extension of \(\mathbb{Q}\).
  • Another participant elaborates on the induction approach, stating that the degree of the extension can be expressed as a product involving the degree of \(\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{p_1},..., \sqrt{p_{n+1}})\) over \(\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{p_1},..., \sqrt{p_n})\) and \(2^n\).
  • A participant notes that proving the degree of \(\sqrt{p_{n+1}}\) over \(\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{p_1},..., \sqrt{p_n})\) is crucial and suggests that it can be shown if \(\sqrt{p_{n+1}}\) is not in the original extension.
  • Another participant agrees with the previous point, indicating that the proof is manageable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of induction and the need to establish the irreducibility of certain polynomials, but the discussion includes varying approaches and methods to prove the necessary conditions, indicating that multiple views remain on the best path forward.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the properties of field extensions and the nature of square roots of primes, which may not be universally accepted without further proof.

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Let [tex]p_1,p_2,...,p_n[/tex] be distinct primes.
Show that [tex][\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{p_1},\sqrt{p_2},...,\sqrt{p_n} ) : \mathbb{Q}]= 2^n[/tex]
 
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What have you tried? It's obvious you should use induction, and then the tricky part becomes proving the irreducibility of a certain polynomial in an extension of Q. Have you gotten this far yet?
 
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What have you tried? It's obvious you should use induction, and then the tricky part becomes proving the irreducibility of a certain polynomial in an extension of Q. Have you gotten this far yet?

Yes. I tried induction of course.

Note that, [tex][\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{p_1},...,\sqrt{p_{n+1}}): \mathbb{Q}] = [\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{p_1},...,\sqrt{p_{n+1}})]:\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{p_1},...,\sqrt{p_n})]\cdot [\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{p_1},...,\sqrt{p_n}):\mathbb{Q}] = [\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{p_1},...,\sqrt{p_{n+1}})]:\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{p_1},...,\sqrt{p_n})] \cdot 2^n[/tex]

So it remains to show,
[tex][\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{p_1},...,\sqrt{p_{n+1}})]:\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{p_1},...,\sqrt{p_n})] = 2[/tex]

Which can be shown if,
[tex]\mbox{deg}(\sqrt{p_{n+1}},\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{p_1},...,\sqrt{p_n}))=2[/tex]

But the difficult step is the last step. I was reading about this problem and it was solved with "Kummer Theory" but I tried to find my own "elementary" solution.
 
You know [itex]\sqrt{p_{n+1}}[/itex] is a root of [itex]x^2-p_{n+1}[/itex], so generates an extension of at most degree 2 over any extension of Q. It will generate an extension of degree 2 iff it is not in the original extension. In other words, you need to show there's no element in [itex]\mathbb{Q}[\sqrt{p_1},...,\sqrt{p_n}][/itex] whose square is [itex]p_{n+1}[/itex]. One way to do this is to note (by induction) that every element in [itex]\mathbb{Q}[\sqrt{p_1},...,\sqrt{p_n}][/itex] can be written in the form [itex]\alpha + \beta \sqrt{p_n}[/itex] for some [itex]\alpha,\beta \in \mathbb{Q}[\sqrt{p_1},...,\sqrt{p_{n-1}}][/itex], then square this and find conditions on [itex]\alpha[/itex] and [itex]\beta[/itex].
 
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Yes you are correct, it is really not that bad to proof.
 

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