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Derivation of Solution to nonlinear 2nd Order ODE

  1. Sep 12, 2011 #1
    I need to derive the solution for the differential equation analytically:

    y'' + g(t,y(t)) = 0
    y'(0) = z_o
    y(0) = y_o

    I know the solution is:

    y(t) = y_o + z_ot - single integral from 0 to t of (t-s)g(s,y(s))ds

    I believe I need to assume something about the solution being a function of e^at somehow due to no damping, but I'm not sure.
     
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  3. Sep 13, 2011 #2

    HallsofIvy

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    What you give is NOT a solution because it involves the unknown function, y, in the integral. It is, rather, an integral equation equivalent to the given differential equation.
     
  4. Sep 13, 2011 #3

    LCKurtz

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    And to add to what Halls said, there is no hope of solving your equation analytically in the general case. With some specific functions g it is possible.
     
  5. Sep 13, 2011 #4
    Well, Halls yes. I suppose I'm not supposed to find a specific solution to the differential equation. But i do need to derive that equivalent integral equation. Can you help?
     
  6. Sep 13, 2011 #5
    You don't need to assume that. But you do need to know how to convert a differential equation to an equivalent Volterra integral equation. Find a book on intro to integral equations. First note the transformational formula (for derivation and n'th case, see integral equation text):

    [tex]\int_0^t \int_0^t f(t)dtdt=\int_0^t(t-s)f(s)ds[/tex]

    Now let:

    [tex]y''=-f(t,y)[/tex]

    and integrate both sides from 0 to t:

    [tex]\int_0^t y'' dt=-\int_0^t f(t,y)dt[/tex]

    [tex]y'(t)-z0=-\int_0^t f(t,y)dt[/tex]

    Now integrate again and use the transformational expression to arive at the Volterra integral equation.
     
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  7. Sep 22, 2011 #6
    I just got the homework back. I used to volterra transformation but I was basically supposed to derive the transformation myself without just using it, which is pretty much what I expected. I had the prof explain to me how fundamentally it was possible to change a double integration into a single integration. He drew on the board on how to do it, change of variables using basically the technique I also found outlined here on wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_integration_(calculus)#Relation_to_integration_by_parts

    Even from reading this section, for some reason I'm still struggling a ton to get it.
     
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