Deriving radial velocity as observed from infinity

In summary, the book 'Exploring Black Holes' by Wheeler and Taylor discusses the derivation of the bookkeeper measure of radial velocity on pages 3-12 and 3-13. The equation for 'Energy in Schwarzschild geometry' is established using the energy equation and the Schwarzschild metric. From this, an expression for dr/dt is found, which is then solved for and the square root is taken to obtain the final equation.
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In Wheeler and Taylor's 'Exploring Black Holes', on pages 3-12 and 3-13, the bookkeeper measure of radial velocity (i.e. radial velocity as measured from infinity) is derived. Basically the equation for 'Energy in Schwarzschild geometry' is established-

[tex]\frac{E}{m}=\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)\frac{dt}{d\tau}=1[/tex]

The book states-

'From the energy equation and the Schwarzschild metric, we can find an expression for [itex]dr/dt[/itex], the rate of the change of the r-coordinate with far-away time t for a stone starting from rest at a very great distance. To obtain this derivative, square terms on either side of the right-hand equality, multiply through by [itex]d\tau^2[/itex], and equate it to the Schwarzschild metric equation for [itex]d\tau^2[/itex] in the case of radial fall [itex](d\phi=0)[/itex]:

[tex]\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)^2dt^2=d\tau^2=\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)dt^2-\frac{dr^2}{\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)}[/itex]

Divide through by [itex]dt^2[/itex], solve for [itex]dr/dt[/itex], and take the square root to obtain

[tex]\frac{dr}{dt}=-\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)\left(\frac{2M}{r}\right)^{1/2}[/tex]I'd appreciate if someone could show the process of derivation between the second and third equation.
 
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stevebd1 said:
[tex]\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)^2dt^2=d\tau^2=\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)dt^2-\frac{dr^2}{\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)}[/itex]

Divide through by [itex]dt^2[/itex], solve for [itex]dr/dt[/itex], and take the square root to obtain

[tex]\frac{dr}{dt}=-\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)\left(\frac{2M}{r}\right)^{1/2}[/tex]


I'd appreciate if someone could show the process of derivation between the second and third equation.

Hi stevebd1! :smile:

Ignore the dtau2 in the middle, and the coefficient of dt2 becomes (1 - 2M/r)(1 - 2M/r - 1) :wink:
 
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Hi tiny-tim

Thanks for the response. I'm probably missing something elementary here but could you shed some light on how you arrived at that coefficient for dt2?
 
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stevebd1 said:
Hi tiny-tim

Thanks for the response. I'm probably missing something elementary here but could you shed some light on how you arrived at that coefficient for dt2?

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stevebd1 said:
[tex]\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)^2dt^2=\,\cdots\,=\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)dt^2-\frac{dr^2}{\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)}[/tex]

rearrange to [tex]\left[\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)^2\ -\ \left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)\right]dt^2\ =\ -\frac{dr^2}{\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)}[/tex]

which is [tex]\left[\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right\ -\ 1)\right]dt^2\ =\ -\frac{dr^2}{\left(1-\frac{2M}{r}\right)}[/tex] :smile:
 

1. How is radial velocity defined?

Radial velocity is the measurement of an object's motion along the line of sight, either towards or away from the observer. It is commonly expressed in units of kilometers per second (km/s).

2. What is the significance of deriving radial velocity from infinity?

Deriving radial velocity from infinity allows for a more accurate measurement of an object's true motion, as it eliminates the effects of any gravitational or orbital forces that may be present at closer distances.

3. What is the formula for calculating radial velocity as observed from infinity?

The formula for calculating radial velocity as observed from infinity is V = c * (Δλ/λ), where V is the radial velocity, c is the speed of light, Δλ is the change in the observed wavelength, and λ is the rest wavelength of the object.

4. How is this technique used in astronomy?

Deriving radial velocity as observed from infinity is an important technique in astronomy for studying the motion and dynamics of celestial objects. It is commonly used to measure the radial velocity of stars, galaxies, and other astronomical bodies, which can provide valuable information about their orbital paths, rotation rates, and interactions with other objects.

5. What are the limitations of deriving radial velocity as observed from infinity?

While deriving radial velocity from infinity can provide more accurate results, it is not always possible to do so. This technique requires precise measurements of the observed and rest wavelengths, which may not always be available. Additionally, it assumes that the object is not affected by any external forces, which may not always be the case in reality.

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