Determine if "n squared - n + 41 is prime" is True or False

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The discussion revolves around the statement "n squared - n + 41 is prime for all natural numbers n." Participants are examining whether this statement is true or false, with a focus on its implications and the correctness of its formulation. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the truth of the statement S(n) and seeks clarification on whether it is true or false.
  • Another participant asserts that S(n) is false by demonstrating that S(41) results in a non-prime number.
  • A participant confirms that S(n) holds true for all n less than 41 based on computational checks.
  • There is a discussion about potential typos in the problem statement, suggesting that the formulation could lead to confusion regarding the truth value of S(n).
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between the two interpretations of S(n) and clarifies how to properly express the truth value of S(41).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the overall truth of the statement S(n). While some assert it is false based on specific examples, others point out the need for clarity in the statement's formulation, indicating that multiple interpretations exist.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the precise formulation of the statement S(n) and its implications for different values of n. The discussion highlights the importance of clear definitions in mathematical propositions.

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Readers interested in mathematical reasoning, particularly in number theory and the properties of prime numbers, may find this discussion relevant.

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Let S (n) be the sentence

n squared - n + 41 is prime for all natural numbers n.

Determine if S (n) is a true or false sentence.

Is this a true sentence? If not, can somebody please explain this to me?
 
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We have $41^2-41+41=41^2$, which clearly is not prime. So, $S(n)$ is a false sentence.
 
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Thanks for explaining this Fernando!I really and truly appreciate it.
 
I checked on the computer that $S(n)$ is true for all $n<41$.
 
Thank you Evgeny. Makarov for double checking this.



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Evgeny.Makarov is this problem done correctly?

Let S (n) be the sentence

n squared - n + 41 is prime for all natural numbers n.

S (41) = 41 squared - 41 + 41 = 41 squared, which clearly is not prime.
 
Joystar1977 said:
Let S (n) be the sentence

n squared - n + 41 is prime for all natural numbers n.

S (41) = 41 squared - 41 + 41 = 41 squared, which clearly is not prime.
First, there may be a typo in the problem statement. It should say either "Let $S(n)$ be '$n^2-n+41$ is prime'" or "Let $S$ be '$n^2-n+41$ is prime for all $n$'". Recall that a proposition is something that can be either true or false. In the first case the truth value of $S(n)$ depends on $n$, and for each concrete $n$, $S(n)$ is a proposition. In the second case the truth value of $S$ does not depend on anything, and $S$ itself is a proposition.

Let's assume we have the first case. Then $S(41)$ is a proposition, i.e., true or false. It is important that, in particular, it cannot equal a number and you can't write that $S(41)=41$. Instead, you should write, "When $n=41$, $n^2-n+41=41^2$, which is not prime; therefore, $S(41)$ is false, which in turn means that "For all $n$, $S(n)$" is also false.

Hint: It is customary to write n^2 for $n^2$ in plain text.
 
Thanks for rechecking on this Evgeny.Makarov!
 

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