Did Historical Scientists Also Excel in Cooking?

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The discussion explores the relationship between historical scientists and cooking, particularly whether any notable scientists from the 1800s or earlier were also skilled cooks. It examines cultural perceptions of cooking, gender roles, and the evolution of culinary practices over time.

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  • Some participants question whether famous scientists were also avid cooks, suggesting that the cultural context of the time may have limited such overlaps.
  • One participant asserts that historically, scientists were predominantly male while cooking was often associated with women, implying a division of roles that may have excluded male scientists from cooking.
  • Another participant humorously references a joke about the difference between chemistry and cookery, indicating a perceived distinction between the two fields.
  • Louis Pasteur is mentioned as a scientist involved with food and drink, but participants note a lack of writings connecting him to broader scientific inquiries.
  • Some participants argue that the art of cooking is a modern development, with historical contexts often involving populations focused on basic survival rather than culinary sophistication.
  • There is a suggestion that while many great chefs are male, the historical context of cooking roles complicates the narrative of scientists as cooks.
  • A participant introduces Nathan Myhrvold as a modern figure who blends cooking with scientific principles, suggesting a contemporary trend of chefs using chemistry in culinary practices.
  • Heston Blumenthal is mentioned as a notable figure in molecular gastronomy, illustrating a modern intersection of cooking and scientific experimentation.
  • Anecdotes from the Manhattan Project are shared, highlighting how scientists engaged in cooking and social gatherings, suggesting a more personal connection to culinary skills among some scientists.

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Participants express differing views on the historical relationship between scientists and cooking, with no consensus on whether notable scientists were also cooks. The discussion reflects a range of perspectives on cultural roles and the evolution of cooking.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of historical context, including gender roles and societal structures that may have influenced the relationship between science and cooking. There is also an acknowledgment of the changing nature of culinary practices over time.

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Were any famous scientists of the past (say 1800's or earlier) also avid cooks?

I'm curious about this because there have long been cookbooks and the descriptions in cookbooks are concise and step-by-step. But a cookbook is associated with tasks that a Natural Philosopher might regard as less sophisticated than the study of nature. (Even today, a "cookbook approach" has some negative connotations.) However, a scientist who was also a cook might embrace the cookbook style of describing things. Are there any examples?
 
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No.

At the time, scientists were male, cooks were female. Also people didn't cook for themselves, except the poor, in which case they usually hadn't the chance to become a scientist.
 
Demands the old joke: What's the difference between chemistry and cookery?

In chemistry, it's not a good idea to lick the spoon.
 
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Louis Pasteur had a lot to do with food and drink, but I haven't found anything he wrote about the study of nature in general.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
Louis Pasteur had a lot to do with food and drink, but I haven't found anything he wrote about the study of nature in general.
Pasteur, 1822 -1895

The more we go back in history, the more we end up at times when people were happy if there was something to eat at all. The art of cooking is a rather modern culture. There are some old French books with recipes, however, not related to scientists.
 
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fresh_42 said:
No.

At the time, scientists were male, cooks were female. Also people didn't cook for themselves, except the poor, in which case they usually hadn't the chance to become a scientist.

If you think of all of the great chefs that ever existed, the overwhelming majority of them were in fact male. And in certain cultures (Italians, Chinese, etc.) it was quite common for men to be involved in cooking/preparing meals.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Pasteur, 1822 -1895

The more we go back in history, the more we end up at times when people were happy if there was something to eat at all. The art of cooking is a rather modern culture. There are some old French books with recipes, however, not related to scientists.

First of all, the more you go back in history, the more you end up at times when the majority of the population were farmers, peasants, or serfs who were not permitted or didn't have the resources to be educated. Or you came from nomadic hunter/gatherer or herder societies, and these societies generally speaking did not engage in the scientific enterprise for obvious reasons.
 
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If you think all of the great chefs that ever existed, the overwhelming majority of them were in fact male.
I would substitute "great" with "famous."
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If we relax both the famous and the past part, we get Nathan Myhrvold with bon mots like "The three most useful machines are the water bath for cooking sous vide, the centrifuge and the homogenizer."
 
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I would substitute "great" with "famous."
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Edit: There seems to be a sort of converse trend of chefs trying to make their cooking chemistry- based using molecular structure to produce customized flavors. I remember a US-based Spain-born chef, one who set up gastro pubs but I can't remember his name; will look it up.
 
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WWGD said:
Edit: There seems to be a sort of converse trend of chefs trying to make their cooking chemistry- based using molecular structure to produce customized flavors. I remember a US-based Spain-born chef, one who set up gastro pubs but I can't remember his name; will look it up.
The famous one in the UK is Heston Blumenthal; I think he coined the phrase "molecular gastronomy". He is famous (or notorious) for things like bacon-and-egg flavoured ice cream.
 
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I have heard/read several anecdotes and memoirs that during the Manhattan Project personnel including many 'STEM' professions isolated at Los Alamos NM and other remote locations, became adept at entertaining each other including the relatively new concept in North America of outdoor barbeques (BBQ). Rumor has it that Robert Oppenheimer and Edward Teller played a mean piano while several colleagues shared culinary skills.

Cooking, like gardening and painting, requires a willingness to get your hands (and clothing) soiled. :cool:
 
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