Differentiation equation: equation of motion

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The discussion revolves around a differentiation equation related to the motion of a particle under the influence of a repelling force. Participants explore the derivation of the equation of motion, the calculation of the nearest approach to a point, and the speed of the particle at that point. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification of the underlying physics.

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  • One participant presents the problem involving a particle projected towards a point O and describes the force acting on it as inversely proportional to the cube of the distance from O.
  • Another participant suggests using Newton's second law to relate acceleration, force, and velocity, aiming to derive the equation of motion in the form of \(v\,dv=4x^{-3}\,dx\).
  • Some participants express confusion about the derivation of the equation of motion and seek clarification on its meaning.
  • There is a discussion about the integration process to find the speed of the particle and its nearest point to O, with one participant noting the initial speed and attempting to apply definite integrals.
  • Another participant provides a derived expression for \(v^2(x)\) and explains the use of dummy variables in integration, leading to a calculation of the minimum distance the particle reaches from O.

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Participants generally agree on the approach to derive the equation of motion and the integration process, but there are uncertainties and differing interpretations regarding the integration steps and the final results. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact calculations and outcomes.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the integration process and the use of variables, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of the mathematical steps involved. There are also references to initial conditions and the implications of the derived equations that are not fully resolved.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in mechanics, particularly those studying the dynamics of particles under varying forces and the mathematical techniques involved in solving differential equations related to motion.

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a particle of mass m is projected towards a point O with initial speed √5/3 m/s from a point P where [OP]=3 metres. the particle is repelled from O by a force of magnitude 4m/x³ where x is its distance from O.
(i) show that the equation of motion is v dv=4x^-3 dx
(ii) find how close the particle will get to O
(iii) find its speed when it has traveled half the distance from P to this nearest point
i do not know even how to start this question off could someone show me the step to step guide to answer the qustion
 
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Re: differentiation equation

First, I would orient an axis of motion with units of meters and with the origin at $O$, and put the particle initially at $x_0=3$, with $$v_0=-\frac{\sqrt{5}}{3}\,\frac{\text{m}}{\text{s}}$$.

Now, according to Newton's 2nd law of motion in 1 dimension, we have acceleration $a$ given by:

$$a=\frac{F}{m}$$

We also know acceleration is the time rate of change of velocity:

$$a=\frac{dv}{dt}$$

And that velocity is the time rate of change of position:

$$v=\frac{dx}{dt}$$

Can you now use these definitions/laws to obtain:

$$v\,dv=4x^{-3}\,dx$$?
 
Re: differentiation equation

thanks for helping and i understand everything you say up to the last line how do you get v dv=4x^-3 dx. what does equation of motion mean?
 
Re: differentiation equation

markosheehan said:
thanks for helping and i understand everything you say up to the last line how do you get v dv=4x^-3 dx. what does equation of motion mean?

We know:

$$a=\d{v}{t}=\frac{F}{m}$$

We are given:

$$F=4mx^{-3}$$

and so we obtain:

$$\d{v}{t}=4x^{-3}$$

Can you take the relationship between velocity and position to complete the equation?

What you wind up with is an equation relating the particle's velocity and position, and so it is called an "equation of motion." This equation is an ODE, and since you have initial conditions to go along with it, you have an IVP which can be completely solved to determine the particle's velocity as a function of its position.
 
Ok I think I get it thanks
 
Okay, now to answer part ii), I recommend switching the dummy variables of integration and using the boundaries as the limits of integration as follows:

$$\int_{v_0}^{v(x)} u\,du=4\int_{x_0}^{x} w^{-3}\,dw$$

Applying the FTOC, what do you get?

Once you have $v(x)$, what do we know about $v$ at the moment when the particle has reached it's nearest point to $O$?
 
what does u and w stand for why did u use them at all?. and once i keep going from v dv=4x^-3 dx i get v²/2= x^-2/-2 and then when i apply definte integrals to this i get v²/2-0²/2=x^-2/-2 -0^-2/-2 and this equals v²/2=x^-2/-2 and its final speed is 0 so 0²/2=x^-2/-2 and i can't get passed this i must of done something wrong by the way the answer to part (ii) is 2 metres
 
sorry i made a mistake when i was integrating i forgot that i know the initial speed √5/3 this is now the answer √5/3 ²/2 -0²/2=x^-2/-2 -0^-2/-2 however if i go on from this i do not get the right answer do you know what to do?
 
When I carry out the integration, I get:

$$v^2(x)=\frac{4}{x_0^2}-\frac{4}{x^2}+v_0^2$$

The variables of integration are "dummy variables" since they get integrated out, and so I replaced them in order to not have the same variables in the integral as I had in the limits.

So, letting $v(x)=0$ and solving for $x$, we obtain:

$$x_{\min}=\frac{2x_0}{\sqrt{4+x_0^2v_0^2}}$$

Plugging in the given values:

$$x_{\min}=\frac{2(3)}{\sqrt{4+(3)^2\left(\dfrac{\sqrt{5}}{3}\right)^2}}=\frac{6}{\sqrt{9}}=2$$
 

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