Distance from Sun to outside galaxy?

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The discussion revolves around the distance from the Sun to the nearest region considered "outside" the Milky Way galaxy. Participants explore various interpretations of what constitutes "outside," including the edge of the Milky Way and the nearest non-Milky Way objects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a general figure for the distance from the Sun to the nearest area officially outside the Milky Way.
  • Another participant suggests that the Milky Way is about 3000 light years thick at the Sun's distance from the center, proposing a distance of 1500 light years to exit the galaxy.
  • A different viewpoint questions whether "place" refers to an area of space or the nearest non-Milky Way object, estimating the distance to the edge of the Milky Way at around 100,000 light years and mentioning the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds at roughly 200,000 light years away.
  • One participant argues that moving straight "up" or "down" relative to the galactic plane is the fastest way to exit the galaxy, referencing another participant's claim of a distance of 1500 light years in either direction.
  • A participant quotes a cosmologist's song that provides various astronomical distances, emphasizing the size of the Milky Way and its distance from the galactic center.
  • Another participant discusses the galactic halo, noting that while most visible matter is in the galactic plane, the halo contains significant matter, including stars and globular clusters, suggesting a more spherical consideration of the galaxy.
  • A participant references a Wikipedia article describing the Milky Way's halo, indicating that the stellar halo diameter is about 200,000 light years, with some globular clusters found even farther from the galactic center.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of what "outside" the Milky Way means, leading to multiple competing views on the distances involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact distance to the nearest area considered outside the galaxy.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of "outside" and the assumptions about the structure of the Milky Way, including the distinction between the galactic disk and halo. The discussion also reflects varying estimates and interpretations of distances based on different models.

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Distance from Sun to "outside" galaxy?

Does anyone have a general figure regarding the distance from the Sun to the nearest place officially "outside" the Milky Way galaxy?

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Depends what you mean by awayfrom the milky way, but at the sun's distance from the centre the galaxy is about 3000 years thick - so you could say 1500 lyr
 
By "place" do you simply mean an area of space? In that case, just Google for "size of Milky Way" and "Sun's position in the Milky Way" and subtract the 2 answers to get the distance from the Sun to the edge of the Galaxy. I would guess around 100,000 light years.

Or do you want to know the closest non-Milky Way object to the Sun? The Large and Small Magellanic Clouds are satellite galaxies of the Milky Way. They are roughly 200,000 light years away.
 
tony, moving along the galactic plane is not the fastest way to exit the galaxy.


As mgb_phys explains, the fastest way is to travel straight "up" or straight "down" relative to the galactic plane.

According to him, that's a mere 1500ly in wither direction. I would have thought it was more than that, but I'll defer to him.
 
I quote the noted cosmologist E. Idle

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.

The song is pretty accurate and is a good way of memorising a lot of astronomical distances - most astronomers can sing all of it ( generally rather badly )
 
DaveC426913 said:
tony, moving along the galactic plane is not the fastest way to exit the galaxy...

Although the majority of visible matter is concentrated in the galactic plane, the halo contains a lot of matter too, including halo stars, which stand out because their tangental motion relative to the Sun is about 200 km/s rather than 20 km/s for the disk stars. The galactic halo also contains many globular clusters, filled with hundreds of thousands to millions of stars each. Most of these clusters are on orbits highly inclined to the galactic plane. So it would probably be a safer assumption to consider the galaxy as a sphere.
 
Wikipedia has a nice description: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way#Halo
The galactic disk is surrounded by a spheroid halo of old stars and globular clusters, of which 90% lie within 100,000 light-years,[20] suggesting a stellar halo diameter of 200,000 light-years. However, a few globular clusters have been found farther, such as PAL 4 and AM1 at more than 200,000 light-years away from the galactic center. While the disk contains gas and dust obscuring the view in some wavelengths, the spheroid component does not. Active star formation takes place in the disk (especially in the spiral arms, which represent areas of high density), but not in the halo. Open clusters also occur primarily in the disk.
 

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