Distance to See One Star: Current Tech & Laws

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The discussion revolves around the question of how far away we can see a single star given current technology and the laws of physics. Participants explore various factors that influence visibility, including the brightness of stars, the expansion of the universe, and the limitations of observational methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the visibility of a star depends on its brightness.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the universe's age (13.7 billion years) on visibility, with some questioning how we can see beyond this distance.
  • One participant mentions that the Hubble deep field images suggest visibility up to about 5 billion light years, while another corrects this to indicate that we can see much farther due to the universe's expansion.
  • Some participants express confusion about the relationship between the age of the universe and the distances we can observe, noting that light from distant stars may have traveled from much closer positions when emitted.
  • There is a mention of the highest star-related redshift measured, which could correspond to distances of 10 to 30 billion light years, depending on various factors.
  • One participant speculates that discerning individual stars may be limited to our nearest galactic neighbors, estimating around 10 million light years.
  • Another participant points out that supernovae can be seen from much greater distances, as they can outshine their host galaxies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the maximum distance at which a star can be seen, with no consensus reached on a definitive answer. There is also uncertainty about the implications of the universe's expansion on visibility.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in current observational technology and methods, as well as the complexities involved in understanding cosmic distances due to the expansion of space.

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Given current technology, and applicable laws, what is the greatest distance at which we can see 1 star?
 
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Depends how bright it is.
 
:redface: How about taking for instance the hottest/brightest stable star? is there a formula? Or one which must be adhered to in order to observe it correctly?
 
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The deep field images of Hubble are about 5 bn light years. According to the BB, we can not see anything further than 13.7 light years.
 
pixel01 said:
The deep field images of Hubble are about 5 bn light years. According to the BB, we can not see anything further than 13.7 light years.
Unless I'm way off, wouldn't it be 13.7 billion light years? That is to say, the age of the universe in light years?
 
SticksandStones said:
Unless I'm way off, wouldn't it be 13.7 billion light years? That is to say, the age of the universe in light years?

You're forgetting about the expansion of the Universe. We can see much farther than 13.7 billion light-years.

Edit to clarify: We can theoretically see much farther than 13.7 billion light-years. Our technology and observational methods can limit us.
 
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Laura1013 said:
You're forgetting about the expansion of the Universe. We can see much farther than 13.7 billion light-years.

Edit to clarify: We can theoretically see much farther than 13.7 billion light-years. Our technology and observational methods can limit us.

I don't understand. If the age of the universe is 13.7 billion years, and light in a vacuum has the highest attainable velocity, then how can we see further than even light could have traveled?
 
SticksandStones said:
I don't understand. If the age of the universe is 13.7 billion years, and light in a vacuum has the highest attainable velocity, then how can we see further than even light could have traveled?

I don't fully understand either, to be honest. It's really easy to get confused about this. There's a lot of misinformation out there. Most introductory sources take the Universe as being flat and non-accelerating for simplicity, and use the very basic equation time x velocity = distance. So, thinking about a flat, stationary Universe that is 13.7 years old, then yes, the farthest we can theoretically see would be 13.7 years times the speed of light, or 13.7 light-years.

This previous thread may help: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=183924 .

But the original question asked how far away could we see a star. We can only theoretically see a star as far back as the first star that existed. That would be the theorized Population III stars, which have yet to be conclusively found.

The original question specifically asked about how far we could see with our current technology. I don't really know the answer to that question. I can say that the highest star-related redshift (not CMB) we've measured is around z = 7 to 10, which leads to distances of around 10 to 30 billion light-years, depending on which measurement you trust and which Hubble constant you use.
 
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The question sounds to me like it is asking how far away we can discern individual stars. That would probably be limited to our neares neighbors in our local group of galaxies - 10 million light years or so. Just a guess though.
 
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SticksandStones said:
I don't understand. If the age of the universe is 13.7 billion years, and light in a vacuum has the highest attainable velocity, then how can we see further than even light could have traveled?
When the light left that star, it was much closer than 13.7Gly. Space ahas expanded in that time. The star can be much farther away frim us now and yet its light (from 10Gy ago) did not have to cross all that distance.
 
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russ_watters said:
The question sounds to me like it is asking how far away we can discern individual stars. That would probably be limited to our neares neighbors in our local group of galaxies - 10 million light years or so. Just a guess though.
Here is a supernova visible even in a small scope - that's 5 billion light years away.
 
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I would think this would exclude supernovas, but yeah, there is no practical limit to how far away you can see them - they often outshine their host galaxies.
 

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