Do Both Carbon Atoms in Ethane Rotate During Conformation Changes?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the rotational behavior of carbon atoms in an ethane molecule during conformation changes. Participants explore whether one or both carbon atoms rotate and the implications of this rotation in terms of molecular conformations.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire whether both carbon atoms in ethane rotate or if only one does, seeking clarification on the concept of rotational degrees of freedom.
  • There is a suggestion that the term "conformations" is important, with emphasis on the relative angle of rotation between the two carbon atoms.
  • One participant asserts that only one carbon atom rotates, while the other remains stationary, although this is framed as a relative observation.
  • Another participant mentions that the question could be more significant in the context of compounds with adjacent chiral carbons, indicating a potential complexity in the discussion.
  • A participant references their teacher's perspective, which aligns with the idea that both carbons are considered to rotate, but practically, one is focused on in the analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether one or both carbon atoms rotate during conformation changes, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of consensus on the definitions and implications of rotation in the context of ethane's conformations, and the discussion includes references to relative motion and reference frames that may not be fully explored.

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Considering a Ethane molecule, it can have infinite confirmations but my question is in this molecule only one carbon atom rotate or both of them rotate? Please specify and give reason.
 
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Karan Punjabi said:
Considering a Ethane molecule, it can have infinite confirmations but my question is in this molecule only one carbon atom rotate or both of them rotate? Please specify and give reason.
Are you talking about rotational degrees of freedom where the rotation of the molecule in each of two directions picks up part of the molecule's total thermal energy?
 
jbriggs444 said:
Are you talking about rotational degrees of freedom where the rotation of the molecule in each of two directions picks up part of the molecule's total thermal energy?
I don't know about these conformations in detail. Just want to know that both molecules of CH3- rotate or one of the molecule rotates.
 
The word is conformations and the angle is the angle one carbon rotates over with respect to the other. So it's a relative angle.
 
BvU said:
The word is conformations and the angle is the angle one carbon rotates over with respect to the other. So it's a relative angle.
Basically you want to say that one carbon atom rotates?
 
Yes, the other then does not.
 
Look at it this way. Rotation is relative right? So if from "outside ", one carbon seems to be rotating then if I change my reference frame to the rotating carbon then the other carbon seems to be rotating!
In short, yeah only one carbon rotates.

Your question would become fairly more significant if we were drawing conformers of a compound which had two adjacent chiral carbons, but let's not go there unless you want to ;)
 
CrazyNinja said:
Look at it this way. Rotation is relative right? So if from "outside ", one carbon seems to be rotating then if I change my reference frame to the rotating carbon then the other carbon seems to be rotating!
In short, yeah only one carbon rotates.

Your question would become fairly more significant if we were drawing conformers of a compound which had two adjacent chiral carbons, but let's not go there unless you want to ;)
Yeah. My teacher told me the same thing that basically two of them rotates but we consider one of them
 

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