Do Photons Emit When Electron's Energy is Measured?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the measurement of an electron's energy in a hydrogen atom and the emission of photons. Participants explore concepts from quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on the implications of superposition and measurement in the context of photon emission.

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  • One participant questions whether the emission of a photon corresponds to a measurement of the electron's energy, given that electrons exist in a superposition of eigenstates.
  • Another participant asserts that the measurement reflects the electron's energy before radiation, referencing the relationship between photon energy and energy levels.
  • A further elaboration describes how the superposition of electron eigenstates leads to a corresponding superposition of photon states, suggesting that measuring a photon reveals information about the electron's state.
  • One participant raises the idea that measuring the energy of the photon could determine the state of the electron, questioning if this indicates a form of entanglement.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the relationship between photon emission and electron energy measurement. While some agree on the connection between superposition and measurement, others introduce questions about entanglement and the implications of these measurements, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants have not yet addressed the implications of quantum electrodynamics (QED) in their discussion, which may limit the depth of their analysis regarding photon interactions and measurements.

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Hey all,

I'm currently in my second QM class, and I have a question about the emission of photons. Last semester, as we studied the wavefunction of a hydrogen electron, the professor briefly mentioned that the energy levels correspond to the observed energies of photons emitted from hydrogen atoms. In general, however, an electron will be in a linear combination of the eigenstates. Since the photon energies are only measured to be discrete, does this mean that the emission of a photon corresponds with a measurement of the electron's energy?

NB: I haven't learned QED yet, so please give me a dumbed-down answer. Thanks. :biggrin:
 
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It measures what the electron's energy was before the radiation since
h\nu=E_i-E_f.
 
Manchot said:
In general, however, an electron will be in a linear combination of the eigenstates. Since the photon energies are only measured to be discrete, does this mean that the emission of a photon corresponds with a measurement of the electron's energy?

Yes! Picture it this way: the superposition of electron eigenstates, through the interaction with the EM field, will result in a superposition of the EM photon states, where each of the terms corresponds to each of the eigenstate-transitions in the hydrogen atom.
And now you measure, and see one of those photons (application of the measurement postulates).

Symbolic example:

|H-atom> = |psi3> + |psi5>
(say, superposition of the third and fifth excited state, just for the sake of it).

Interaction with EM field (from the vacuum state) gives you:

|H-atom+EM field> = a |psi0> |photon3> + b |psi0> |photon5> + c |psi1> |photon2> + ...

where the first state in each term gives you the "final" state of the H-atom, and the second state in each term gives you the EM field state (kind of photon you have).

Now you do a "photon" measurement, so, with probability |a|^2, you have the first state (ground state + photon3), with probability |b|^2 you have the second state (ground state + photon5), ...
 
Ah, so the photon itself is in a superposition of eigenstates. For some reason, I never considered that possibility. Does that mean that you can determine the state of the electron by measuring the energy of the photon? Is that a form of entanglement?
 

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